What’s the difference between an “element” and a “characteristic”?  And what 
would you give as an example of a “metapattern?” [I’m not sure that the last 
actually exists – a limited group of patterns may share common sub-patterns as 
elements – but I wouldn’t really call that a metapattern. Or you could 
transform one pattern into another, and the result would classify as a 
metapattern – but only of that one original pattern. The same operation applied 
to a totally different pattern would yield a totally different metapattern. And 
the goal here is to identify how all patterns belong to the same class. There 
is no metapattern for patterns generally].

From: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:55 PM
To: AGI 
Subject: Re: [agi] Boris Explains His Theory

Where the disagreement arises is that these two are talking about different 
levels of representation. It's the difference between use ("a dog" or "a 
pattern") and mention ("the word 'dog'" or "the pattern 'pattern'").  Mike is 
insisting on a strictly use-based representation, looking for common elements 
*between* the patterns, and Jim is failing to point out the difference between 
elements and characteristics, the characteristics of the different patterns 
being the elements of the metapattern. 

-Aaron


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On Aug 23, 2012 7:38 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: 





  If you want to put that mathematically, take a whole set of diverse patterns 
– Koch curve, Mandelbrot, herringbone, cellular automaton etc . etc. – and 
explain how the brain is able to abstract from *all of them together* and 
recognize them collectively as “patterns”  (and not just as Koch 
curves/herringbones etc. etc).

  Where’s the pattern in a set of diverse patterns, B & B? And where’s the 
complexity, Jim?


that's easy, these are all obviously susceptible to lossy compression using 
algorithms native to the brain...

ben 

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