To recognize forms as “programmable as patterns” is even harder and 
second-order than just recognizing them as patterns in the first place – and 
depends on that.

The problem you haven’t grasped is that while all pattern sets can be described 
as having common elements in common positions/ relationships -  the elements 
*and* relationships change from one pattern set to another and are capable of 
infinite evolution. At some point, s.o. discovered for example that you could 
use living creatures as pattern elements, at another that you could use random 
variations of the sizes of parts (as in cellular automata).  There will be ever 
more discoveries/inventions,  and patterns will continue to evolve.

Individual pattern sets however cannot evolve – or they cease to be patterns.


From: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:23 PM
To: AGI 
Subject: Re: [agi] Boris Explains His Theory

This is where the incompleteness of representations comes in handy. To 
recognize all of them as patterns, we need only create a program that can 
recognize that they can be represented as Ben described. And there is no need 
to do this in advance for every possible pattern. We just create something that 
looks for patterns, and adds them to the list as we find them.

You don't expect a person to instantly see every pattern. It's better at 
recognizing cetain types right off the bat, while others take longer due to 
inherent biases in the way the human mind represents things. So why would you 
make that demand of an AI?




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On Aug 23, 2012 3:59 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: 


Oh jeez, Ben – they are compressible into DIFFERENT programs – a ZILLION 
different programs. Specialist programs, basically one per pattern. 

In order to recognize all of them as “patterns” , they would all – all zillion 
patterns - have to be compressible into just ONE program, just one and the SAME 
program that could identify/generate every different example of a pattern. 
Including ones not yet invented. Not a zillion programs, just one.

That’s not “easy” Ben, that’s the unsolved problem of AGI.  .You sure you’re 
really interested in it?

From: Ben Goertzel 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:28 PM
To: AGI 
Subject: Re: [agi] Boris Explains His Theory


All the examples you mentioned


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote:

  Koch curve, Mandelbrot, herringbone, cellular automato

are compressible into short (say, LISP) programs consisting of repeated 
iterations of simple equations.   That's a pretty obvious commonality among all 
of them... ;p



-- 
Ben Goertzel, PhD
http://goertzel.org

"My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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