Good, but I'm not convinced your approach is the fastest. How does it compare with Hausser's Left Associative parsing, or using Trie trees to make dictionaries? My understanding is that Hausser's LA parsers are the fastest mode of parsing. What does Hausser's LA parsing lack that you address? ~PM
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:30:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [agi] AGI prospects for the next decade or two... From: [email protected] To: [email protected] PM, Here is the essential point: My approach is to parsing what an operating system is to programming. You can implement ANY (that I have ever heard of) approach to parsing - it just runs 3-4 orders of magnitude faster when embedded in my structure. When I first started programming (on vacuum tube computers like the IBM-650 and IBM-709) there were no operating systems. Then a bright young engineer at IBM named Gene Amdahl figured out that some smart canned I/O routines could outperform the usual direct addressing of peripherals, by using leftover RAM as buffers. Suddenly, 709s were running MUCH faster, because programs no longer had to wait for their I/O. Similarly, the vast majority of things that ALL parsing methods check for are not there. This means that >99% of what they do is completely wasted, because it leads to NO output. Hausser's methods seek to implement new rules to effectively deal with word order scrambling and other anomalies that occur in real-world English. I describe some similar rules in the patent. However, there is no need to use the sample rule types I describe, as it is easy to implement ANY sorts of rules you can imagine. My method isn't perfect, as probably more than half of the rules will still not find what they are looking for. Of course, if a system could ever get to 100%, there would then no longer be any reason to perform the rules 8-:D> Regarding NELL, it appears that it learns things with language, rather that learning language. Steve ================= On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: There is also the NELL project which is already in flight. http://rtw.ml.cmu.edu/rtw/ http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/computing/2010/fall/nell-computer-that-learns.shtml It's aim is to read the web. ALL of it. How would your parsing approach be different from, enhance, or make obsolete the Never Ending Language Learning (NELL) system? Just curious? ~PM Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:18:22 -0700 Subject: [agi] AGI prospects for the next decade or two... From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi all, Has my previous posting made my implied point to everyone's satisfaction, that without my new parsing method, that there is NO presently known or suspected approach to parsing full-blown English fast enough to be practical, for at least another decade or two? Hence, there seems to be no useful purpose in anyone wasting their time building yet another ad hoc or table-driven parser that doesn't use my method, beyond proving my point with yet another failed NLP project. Things I am **NOT** saying include: 1. That more breakthroughs aren't necessary to achieve "understanding", though it is my gut feeling that present-day parsing technology would be adequate for most use, given another 3-4 orders of magnitude in both speed and rules count. 2. That this is easy. On the contrary, I suspect that ~1 man-decade of linguistic rules building would be needed. This would be needed regardless of the approach used, so this is NOT a disadvantage of my approach. Of course, this would take one person a decade of hard work to complete, but could be completed by an organized team in a year or two. So, is anyone (else) here interested in some sort of team effort to make this happen? Once completed, we already understand that this may be the most valuable software on the planet. If we can't get a critical mass going on this, then there would seem to be little reason to continue this forum for the next decade or two, beyond maybe discussing pie-in-the-sky plans for what might be done decades in the future, using presently unknown technologies, which would better be posted on the singularity forum and NOT here on the AGI forum. Am I missing anything here? Any interest? Steve AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
