Stan, 
Thanks for your thoughts.  You have very valid points.  By the way, when  you 
send a reply, the AGI list appears to be getting two messages instead of one.
I tend to use the word "affect" to mean an instantaneous evaluation of the 
current situation, which maps it into a positive or negative value (between -1 
and 1) along several "emotional" dimensions.
I tend to use the word "mood" to mean the average of these values over some 
timeframe.
Somehow there must be a link between these affect and mood values (the somatic 
tags) and the selected goals. I just have to figure out what the right linkages 
are.  Perhaps an "Evaluation"predicate can link them.  Not sure just yet.
Finally, an "intuition" I think is a culminating response / decision involving 
the affects and moods and goals.
Cheers. 

Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:32:12 -0600
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [agi] Goal Selection


  
    
  
  
    On 05/16/2013 11:19 PM, Piaget Modeler
      wrote:

    
    
      
      Stanley, 
        

        
        Thagard's work on coherence is pretty interesting.  He
          combines it with Damasio's work to form a pretty cogent 
        theory. Similar to yours...
        

        
        http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/Articles/Pages/how-to-decide.html
          
        

        
        http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/Articles/Pages/Inference.Plan.html
          
        

        
        http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/Articles/Pages/Emot.Decis.html
          
        

        
        http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/Articles/Pages/Empathy.html
        

        
        Cheers.
        

        
        ~PM

        
      
    
    

    PM, 

    

    Just read a little of the first article.  I immediately see that
    Thegard and I differ in a few important ways.  First, Thegard speaks
    of emotions as an initial reaction and then quickly calls this the
    "gut reaction."  For me, emotion is more of a continuum and the two
    ends of the spectrum are vastly different.  At one end is the
    "triggered" response which occurs quickly and subconsciously.  There
    isn't much we can do about this kind of emotion except to
    "condition" ones self to react differently.

    

    The other end of the spectrum is more interesting and equally as
    valuable (my opinion.)  A good example of this "other" type of
    emotion is what we experience and describe as "I just knew it was
    the right thing."  In other words, we "felt" the rightness of a path
    or choice.  Personally, I wouldn't call that emotion, but others
    consider any "feeling" to be emotion.  If anything, I would call
    this the "intuition" experience. 

    

    I argue that the "intuition" end of the spectrum is natural and a
    desirable mental state to arrive at.  Remember the explanations as
    to how Watson came to the point of "buzzing in" during the Jeopardy
    competition?  Watson was able to integrate several aspects of the
    "problem" of fitting an answer to the clues.  My understanding was
    that it used something like experts in various categories.  The
    ratings or rankings of these various components were then "summed"
    into a number and if the number was "big enough" then Watson buzzed
    in.  Could say "Watson was confident enough..." or that Watson was
    "hefty" enough to weigh in...  It starts to sound like "Watson felt
    like buzzing." 

    

    I believe this is what "deep" human thought is really about - taking
    the "sum" of various ways of looking at the issue and seeing what
    that net result feels like.  (don't confuse me with facts about how
    mathematicians and artists think 
        :-) )  Notice the "feels" like.  

    

    How else would one deal with a summary of various unrelated
    aspects?  We recognize that some aspects of a car are more important
    to us than others, but we arrive at the point of decision with a
    "net" feeling - we think the deal is right. I suspect that there is
    also a "feeling" of not accepting - which leads to more search and
    analysis. 

    

    Using "how one feels immediately" is not a good strategy for making
    decisions.  Any view/cognition needs to be supported by features
    that are external, or logically evident.  Using gut reaction for
    evidence is giving your ignorance too much say so.  Quick gut
    reaction may aid in helping to steer us into proper ways of looking
    at situation, but it should never be used as "evidence" of our
    rightness. 

    

    To bring this around to machine choices,..  the arbitrator will
    likely compare two "merit" numbers and choose the higher merit. 
    Merit is highly abstract - that is, it doesn't have a characteristic
    that tells where it came from.  (not saying we can't investigate the
    process of asserting merit, but the arbitrator wouldn't do that.)  
    Lately I've come to see that we don't have to invent "merit" or have
    a machine to calculate it - we simply need to collect it from
    various sources that we trust.  (an AGI may aspire to calculate
    merit one day - but that is for the mature, not the novice.) 

    

    My new saying... "I don't expect a design of a car to specify how to
    create gasoline - the gas is fuel for the car, not the "car"
    invention.  Likewise, an AGI doesn't have to have mechanisms that
    "produce" judgments - judgments are the fuel aspect of an AGI.  An
    AGI needs to be a collector and user of what's out there."

    

    

    PM Thanks for the reference to Thegard - I'll read more, but his low
    opinion of intuition is hard for me to accept. 

    

    Stan

    

    

  


  
    
      
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