Jim,

Do you mean some sort of extreme extension to Backus Naur Form?

I suggest giving some examples, without worrying too much about the
language details.

Steve
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On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:

> The idea of a linguistic reference marker language seems kind of
> interesting.  Someone in these groups have pointed out that there are
> artificial languages in which anaphoric-like references may be
> defined, and anyone could do that by denoting those kinds of
> connective relations by using some meta-notation.  However, my idea of
> the artificial reference marker language does go a step further in
> that it would allow for definitions of linguistic markers by type and
> other possible abstractions that could be defined with other levels of
> referential relations.  This definition with types does sound like a
> programming language but I believe I can take it a step higher in that
> it can be used to create run time dilemmas some of which should be
> resolvable while the program is running so long as the basis of the
> defined relations are not too poorly constructed.  This could feasibly
> turn out to be a highly controllable testing program that has a rich
> potential of expression and which could detail some of the problems
> that need to be solved in this field.
>
> Right now I am thinking about a system which would simultaneously run
> the reference marker language as a meta-language or a paralanguage to
> a text-based natural language.  By keeping the language simple the
> test might be run by creating the needed linguistic markers (like
> anaphoric-like connectors) as they are needed.  So months or years of
> learning might be avoided to prepare for a test run.  And abstractions
> or generalizations might be denoted by groups of examples or by
> categorical denotations.
>
> There have been many attempts to use formal linguistics in AI and they
> have not generated overwhelming evidence that the method is the best
> route to AGI.  However, my theory is that most professional linguistic
> AI models are overly reliant on generalizations that are too broad and
> are too simple.  I believe that true intelligence must be supplied
> with a rich set of possibilities and that old AI linguistic models
> have not provided the programs with those possibilities.  But, a rich
> set of generalizations probably would overwhelm an AGI program with
> too much complexity.  By using the linguistic reference marker
> language some of that complexity could be studied in a controlled
> environment using relatively simple examples.
>
> For example, (an abstract example), if there are many possible
> reference marker systems (that were previously 'learned' or defined)
> then the program would have to choose which of them would be
> appropriate for a particular context.  These possibilities would not
> all be competitive selections, and in most all cases many possible
> reference relational systems would have to be used to understand the
> sentence properly.  So then, part of the problem is that the program
> would need to know when it had interpreted the sentence well and that
> it should stop looking for other possible referential relations for
> the sentence.  At this point I have no idea how I would program a
> computer to decide something like this.  But, by using this
> specialized test facility, I could gain a lot of experience by relying
> on my intuition to decide when the program had come up with an
> interpretation that was good enough at that time.
>
> Another simple abstract example that I have in mind is that I could
> try to use natural language to point something out (about the
> referential relations) and if that did not work then I could use the
> artificial referential marker language that was running concurrently
> with the natural language exchanges to present it to the computer
> program. Then later I could see if I could use similar terms (from the
> natural language) to direct the computer to become aware of some
> referential relation in the subject discussion without needing further
> detailing using the referential marker language.
>
> While none of this is totally new to me it is clear that I am starting
> to think more definitely about some of these kinds of problems just
> because I am thinking about developing the referential marker
> language.  So it seems like an interesting idea that should be useful
> to me.  I will probably try to develop it and try it out.
>
> Some people think that this has little to do with AGI.  Well similar
> techniques could be used to designate the referential relations
> between visual and other sensory data so that shows that the method is
> general enough.
>
> Jim Bromer
>
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