If you think not then make your argument why humans plus computers and narrow AI is sufficient.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Samantha Atkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is simple. Do you believe we have enough effective intelligence on the > planet to deal with our current and likely next three decade problems > effectively or not. If not then clearly we must produce more. > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> To me it seemed like such a long series of implications (A--> B--> C-->D >> ...) >> that, in my opinion, it became less and less likely to be true, >> especially >> without evidence. >> >> It appears to me, that as we evolve as a species we develop more ability >> to >> work cooperatively. For example, the United Nations, the World Court >> in the Haig, Financial Markets, the international space station. In fact, >> there is more coordination now as war is faught not solely through >> military >> might, but also through the media, and via financial markets, and >> economic >> sanctions. This requires increased coordination, which humans have >> risen to >> meet. >> >> Humans learn by error, so runway technological acceleration exceeding >> human >> capacity is the same as the errors of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, >> Fukushima, >> the BP Gulf Spill, Global warming, and a host of other disasters that >> have been >> encountered. If the error is not critical or fatal, then the capacity to >> learn from >> and compensate for the error is usually within the realm of human >> capabiliities. >> If the human species fails to adapt, then the species will suffer the >> consequences. >> I don't think AGI is necessary at all. Carl Sagan did mention though >> that becoming >> a space faring species is necessary. I'd submit that a serious space >> program is more >> important than a serious AGI program. >> >> Besides, 100% error avoidance is an impossible goal anyway. We learn >> from mistakes. >> We need them. >> >> ~PM >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:57:55 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [agi] Re: The Need for Cross-Transformational Compressions >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> It is a believable postulate based in our own experience. It does not >> require direct evidence and I didn't say it did. Why did you take one >> thing out and one that is not even essential? >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> > My view is that AGI is *required* if human beings are going to have any >> > vibrant future at all and required within the next few decades. Why? >> > Humans, and logically any technological species, evolve with certain >> > species characteristics including limitations on their effective >> > intelligence and ability to work cooperatively well together. As a >> > runaway technological acceleration occurs the species eventually hits a >> > point where its effective intelligence is ineffective in capacity and >> > speed for coming up with timely good enough solutions to more and more >> > complex and rapidly developing problems. Eventually, without either AGI >> > or rewriting its own nature significantly, the species fails to make >> > good enough choices followed through well enough to avoid calamity. >> > >> > >> > - samantha >> > >> >> Samantha, what evidence is there of other comparable human species >> evolution >> following this scenario you've outlined? Is this a conjecture on your >> part or has >> this happened before, and if so, when? >> >> Kindly advise, >> >> ~PM >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/2997756-fc0b9b09> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/2997756-fc0b9b09> | >> Modify >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> >> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
