The paper is about engineering play a priori into systems since play is involved with self-organization, attractors, emergent universality, decision instability, and play is inherent in many things even neurons and octopi. Perhaps even wiggling amoebas are having a party :)
Then, is play in an organism some biomechanical attempt to modify causal entropic force on the edge of chaos? Like in baseball trying to hit a single verses hitting a foul into the bleachers. Fouling is chaos. Hitting it in play is order. John From: Jim Bromer via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 8:10 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Physics, Emergence, and the Connectome I am not really sure what he means because the polarity (or magnetic orientation) of a 'permanent magnet' can be reversed if an external magnetic field is strong enough. I think there are a few things wrong with his presentation. The sense that learning is not part of a computational theory of mind is a little far-fetched but then he seems to present play as an unexpected explanation without any mention of the word "learn" (other than in the introduction where he says, "We speak instead about learning more about the connections themselves and about advancing medicine (Van Essen and Ugurbil, 2012 <javascript:void(0);> xVan Essen, D.C. and Ugurbil, K. Neuroimage. 2012; 62: 1299–1310 CrossRef <http://www.cell.com/servlet/linkout?suffix=e_1_5_1_2_20_2&dbid=16&doi=10.1016/j.neuron.2014.08.006&key=10.1016%2Fj.neuroimage.2012.01.032&cf=> | PubMed <http://www.cell.com/servlet/linkout?suffix=e_1_5_1_2_20_2&dbid=8&doi=10.1016/j.neuron.2014.08.006&key=22245355&cf=> | Scopus (54) <http://www.cell.com/servlet/linkout?suffix=e_1_5_1_2_20_2&dbid=137438953472&doi=10.1016/j.neuron.2014.08.006&key=2-s2.0-84862993537&cf=> See all References <http://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(14)00681-3#references> Van Essen and Ugurbil, 2012).") It seems like a major oversight. Jim Bromer On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:00 AM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: He means the properties of some things are the same everywhere, under similar conditions, like a water molecule’s molecular dynamics on Earth would be the same on another planet one million years from now… or.. mostly the same there might be slight subatomic differences. But you know what he means. I’m wondering, does play occur on the edge of chaos? And maybe on edges of chaos? John From: Jim Bromer via AGI [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:29 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Physics, Emergence, and the Connectome "The rigidity and elasticity of all solids is always the same. The special properties of insulators, semiconductors, and metals that allow us to make computers with them are always the same. The rigid orientation of ferromagnets is always the same." Whaa...? Jim Bromer On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Russ Hurlbut via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Here's an interesting paper that touches on some of the recurring themes discussed on the AGI list: http://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(14)00681-3 For those that care to weigh in, perhaps the perspective in this open access article can provide another facet to reflect on familiar topics including complexity, compression, and the paper's central theme - play. AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029-82d9122f> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
