*Colin et al,*
A possible plan for H-AGI towards S-AGI paper
*Hybrid artificial general intelligent systems towards S-AGI*
*Introduction* – a short presentation of AI systems and general goal to
build human general intelligence
Why H-AGI?
- Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of
computation analog, digital -Turing machines )
- Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly
replicated on digital computers)
- H-AGI can include all forms of computations, algorithmic /
non-algorithmic, analog, digital,* quantum and classical *since
biological structure is incorporated in the system
*Steps to develop H-AGI*
- A. Build the structure using either natural stem cells or induced
pluripotent cells a three-dimensional vascularized structure, test 3D
printing possibilities
- Shape the structure and control spatial organization of cells
- Detect the need of neurotrophic factors, nutrients and oxygen ...use
nanosensor devices, carbon nanotubes...
- Regulate, control the entire phenomenon using a computer interface,
ability to use combine analog/digital and biophysical computations
B. Train the hybrid system
- Enhance bidirectional communication between biological structure and
computers
- Create and use a virtual world to provide accelerated training, use
machine learning, DL, digital/algorithmic AI or AGI if something is
developed on digital systems
- The interactive training system should also shape the evolution of
biological structure, natural language and visual information can be
progressively included
see details in Can we build a conscious machine,
http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.5224
*Goals of H-AGI*
H-AGI can be seen as a transitional step required to understand which
parts can be fully replicated in a synthetic form to build a more powerful
system,
· Natural language processing, robotics...
· Space exploration, colonization..... etc
· Techniques for therapy (brain diseases, cancer ....) since we will
learn how to shape biological structure
Dorian
PS This brief presentation may also provide an idea about possible
collaboration list 1- list 3
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote:
> > A summary ....we are looking at the idea that there are 2 fundamental
> kinds
> > of putative AGI (1) & (3), and their hybrid (2) that forms a third
> approach
> > as follows:
> >
> > (1) C-AGI computer substrate only. Neuromorphic equivalents of it.
> > (2) H-AGI hybrid of (1) and (3). The inorganic version is a new kind
> > of neuromorphic chip. The organic version has ... erm... organics in it.
> > (3) S-AGI synthetic AGI. organic or inorganic. Natural brain physics
> > only. No computer.
> >
> > (aside: S-AGI just came out of my fingers. I hope this is OK, Dorian!)
> >
>
> This is a cool idea, somewhat mind boggling in its possibilities.
> Cool though!
>
> Personally I would favor something more like "EM-AGI" for
> electromagnetic AGI. I mean, I don't understand the details of the
> approach, only the generalities. But, "S" seems a bit vague/ambiguous
> while EM hits it more or less on target IMHO.
>
> MIke A
>
>
> > Think this way: What we have now is 100% computer. S-AGI is 100% natural
> > physics (organic or inorganic). H-AGI is set somewhere in between. It's
> > the level of computer computation/natural computation that is at issue.
> All
> > are computation.
> >
> > The human brain is a natural version of (3) with a neuronal/astrocyte
> > substrate. (3) has no computer whatever in it. it retains all the
> natural
> > physics (whatever that is). H-AGI targets the inclusion of the essential
> > natural brain physics in the substrate of (2) and to incorporate (1)
> > computer-substrates and software to an extent to be determined. In my
> case
> > an H-AGI would be inorganic. Others see differently.
> >
> > Where you might have a stake in this?
> >
> > The history of AGI can be summed up as an experiment that seeks to see if
> > the role of (1) C-AGI as a brain is fundamentally indistinguishable from
> > (3) S-AGI under all conditions. That is the hypothesis. The 65 year old
> bet
> > that has attracted 100% of the investment to date. H-AGI does not make
> that
> > presupposition and seeks to contrast (1) and (3) in revealing ways that
> > then allow us to speak authoritatively about the (1)/(3) relationship in
> > AGI potential. Only then will we really understand the difference between
> > (1) and (3). So far that difference is entirely and intuition. A good
> one.
> > But only intuition. Its time for that intuition to be turned into
> science.
> > Experiments in (1) have ruled to date. Now we seek to do some (2)... E.E.
> > we have 65 years of 'control' subject. H-AGI builds the first 'test'
> > subject.
> >
> > How about this?
> >
> > What would be super cool is if this mighty AGI beast you intend making
> > could be turned into the brain of a robot. Then we could contrast what it
> > does with what an IGI candidate brain does in an identical robot in the
> > same test. That kind of testing vision (as far off as it may seem) is a
> > potential way your work and the IGI might interface. Which candidate
> robot
> > best encounters radical novelty, without any human
> intervention/involvement
> > whatever? .... is a really good question. To do this test you'd not need
> to
> > reveal anything about its workings. Observed robot behaviour is decisive.
> >
> > It seems to me that whatever venture you plan, it might be wise to keep
> an
> > eye on any (2)/(3) approaches. IGI or not. Because it is directly
> informing
> > expectations of outcomes in (1). We are currently asking the question
> "*If
> > H-AGI were to be championed into existence, what would the first vehicle
> > for that look like?*" If the enthusiasm maintains it will be sketched
> into
> > a web page and we'll see what it tells us and what to do next. It may
> halt.
> > It may go. I don't know. Worth a shot? You bet.
> >
> > With your (1) C-AGI glasses firmly strapped to your head, your wisdom at
> > all stages in this would be well received, whatever the messages. So if
> you
> > have time to keep an eye on happenings, I for one would appreciate it.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Colin Hales
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for asking. Haven’t followed the IGI discussions.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is this about non-computer based approaches to AGI? If so, I don’t
> think
> >> I have anything positive to contribute.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> More generally, non-profit orgs need strong focus and champions. And
> >> specific goals.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 12:23 PM
> >> *To:* AGI
> >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr. Voss,
> >>
> >> Given your understanding of the AGI community do you believe an IGI
> would
> >> be redundant? Would your organization be open to collaborating with the
> >> IGI? Do you have any advice for how we could be successful in starting
> >> up
> >> this organization? Perhaps you would be open to being a member of the
> >> board?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not something that can be adequately covered in a few words, but….
> “We’re
> >> building a fully integrated, top-down & bottom-up, real-time, adaptive
> >> knowledge (& skill) representation, learning and reasoning engine. We’re
> >> using a combination of graph representation and NN techniques overlaid
> >> with
> >> fuzzy, adaptive rule systems” – ha!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here again are links for some clues:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.kurzweilai.net/essentials-of-general-intelligence-the-direct-path-to-agi
> >>
> >> http://www.realagi.com/index.html
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/RealAGI/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr. Voss,
> >>
> >> Since you are the founder I'm certain you know what agi-3's methodology
> >> is. In a few words (maybe more?) could you share with us what that is?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> *>*http://www.agi-3.com They just glue together anything and
> everything
> >> that works.
> >>
> >> Actually, no. We have a very specific theory of AGI and architecture
> >>
> >> *Peter Voss*
> >>
> >> *Founder, AGI Innovations Inc.*
> >>
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