Looks solid for a few days work. well done. But now the real work begins, providing serious content based on actual work. Good luck. ~PM
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 20:56:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [agi] H-AGI towards S-AGI From: [email protected] To: [email protected] my email is mseveland (at) gmail (dot) com. Please feel free to contact me if you would like: 1. Admin access to the website (must be ok with Bengimin Knapp (as he paid for domain). 2. Admin or moderator access to the forums. 3. Have suggestions or recommendation for the web site or anything contained within. I am an admin guy, not a web site designer. (I'm doing the best I know how), and would seriously appreciate feedback and input. Thank you, That is all, Please return to your previous program.... On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: So what is this "inorganic tissue" made from? silicon? On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:48:17AM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: > Hi Dorian et. al., > > I am going to have to piecemeal this. Up to armpits in crocs. Can't commit > to chat just yet. > > I have a suggestion for this bit > =============================== > Why H-AGI? > > - Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of > computation analog, digital -Turing machines ) > - Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly > replicated on digital computers) *I can do this (see below)* > - H-AGI can include all forms of computations: > algorithmic/non-algorithmic, analog/digital,* > quantum/classical. Organic/Inorganic. *H-AGI incorporates whatever level > of natural biophysics is thought essential to AGI operation. It is that > biophysics that introduces some desired level of natural computation into > the H-AGI. The biophysics is literally incorporated in the > processor/chipset. This could take the form of actual biological substrate > (cellular tissue) or it could be an inorganic version of some part of the > biophysics of the organic original. > - The reason for beginning a program of H-AGI works is that by virtue of > its retention of the natural biophysics, it allows us to scientifically > determine the role of the natural biophysics in intelligence. > Properties potentially lost the moment the boundary of any abstract model > of the biophysics is chosen. > - H-AGI recognises the significance of the loss of natural biophysics > has had essentially no attention in AI or AGI, both of which have been > confined to the 100% elimination of the natural biophysics. H-AGI commences > that investigation, not because of any particular knowledge, but because > the choice not to do it has had almost no attention since the inception of > AI. > > =========================================== > Next, I would add another whole section to Dorian's wet version of H-AGI: > the 'dry' inorganic version. The wet version sounds fine to me. No problem. > I don't claim to have thought deeply about that. So I defer to Dorian. > > For the dry H-AGI I have already generated an example (in the paper I have > already written). I show the natural original, the modelled version (C-AGI) > and the inorganic version (H-AGI). It is not synthetic S-AGI because it > doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. It only has that tiny proportion > of the natural physics being explored for its role in intelligence. It is > not C-AGI and it is not S-AGI. It is H-AGI. Somewhere in between. Where the > natural biophysics computation stops the abstract modelling (analog or > digital) takes over in its more traditional guises (computer or > neuromorphic chip). Dry H-AGI doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. > > Biological tissue usage is (wet) H-AGI because it introduces a proportion > of natural tissue (not the whole brain). All the biophysics, not all the > brain. Inorganic replication of biological tissue biophysics is H-AGI > because it retains part of the biophysics but is till not the whole brain. > Both wet and dry approaches are also H-AGI because they traditional > modelling as a form of container for the biophysics. > > (Aside: The organic/wet H-AGI and the inorganic/dry H-AGI could be classed > as quantum-mechanical in nature by virtue of the biophysics ultimately > being based on quantum processes. Classical physics is the only thing > needed to describe it at the functional/construction level. The properties > conferred through the quantum substrate are something to be argued *after > you built it, IMO*) > > *Summary* > Dorian wants to do H-AGI biologically. I want to do it inorganically. Both > are really hard. Neither are synthetic S-AGI because they also have > abstract modelling of other brain processes. If Dorian made a brain > entirely out of organics (no abstract computation/models) , that would be > synthetic. If I made a brain entirely out of inorganics (no abstract > computation/models), that would be synthetic. > > Wet *and* Dry H-AGI are needed in an expanded conceptual basis for AGI > future development. All that is required is to see that these initiatives > are currently unexplored and that the scientific knowledge needed to see > which approach offers what future, and thereby put the pure abstract > modelling approach on a scientific footing, is what the IGI is about. > > The Dry H-AGI section is what I want to add. I am hoping that we are on the > same page as regards the compartmentalisation of different approaches. > > Gnarly bits? Please advise. > > Gotta go ... panic prep for sale of my brother's house. > > regards > > Colin Hales > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Regards, Mark Seveland AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
