Thank you. I agree. Ben's suggested a few videos for the gallery. I got some other ideas on presenting existing initiatives.
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Looks solid for a few days work. well done. > > But now the real work begins, providing serious content based on actual > work. > > Good luck. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 20:56:41 -0700 > Subject: Re: [agi] H-AGI towards S-AGI > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > my email is mseveland (at) gmail (dot) com. Please feel free to contact > me if you would like: > > 1. Admin access to the website (must be ok with Bengimin Knapp (as he paid > for domain). > 2. Admin or moderator access to the forums. > 3. Have suggestions or recommendation for the web site or anything > contained within. > > I am an admin guy, not a web site designer. (I'm doing the best I know > how), and would seriously appreciate feedback and input. > > Thank you, That is all, Please return to your previous program.... > > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> > wrote: > > So what is this "inorganic tissue" made from? silicon? > > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:48:17AM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi Dorian et. al., > > > > I am going to have to piecemeal this. Up to armpits in crocs. Can't > commit > > to chat just yet. > > > > I have a suggestion for this bit > > =============================== > > Why H-AGI? > > > > - Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of > > computation analog, digital -Turing machines ) > > - Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly > > replicated on digital computers) *I can do this (see below)* > > - H-AGI can include all forms of computations: > > algorithmic/non-algorithmic, analog/digital,* > > quantum/classical. Organic/Inorganic. *H-AGI incorporates whatever > level > > of natural biophysics is thought essential to AGI operation. It is > that > > biophysics that introduces some desired level of natural computation > into > > the H-AGI. The biophysics is literally incorporated in the > > processor/chipset. This could take the form of actual biological > substrate > > (cellular tissue) or it could be an inorganic version of some part of > the > > biophysics of the organic original. > > - The reason for beginning a program of H-AGI works is that by virtue > of > > its retention of the natural biophysics, it allows us to > scientifically > > determine the role of the natural biophysics in intelligence. > > Properties potentially lost the moment the boundary of any abstract > model > > of the biophysics is chosen. > > - H-AGI recognises the significance of the loss of natural biophysics > > has had essentially no attention in AI or AGI, both of which have been > > confined to the 100% elimination of the natural biophysics. H-AGI > commences > > that investigation, not because of any particular knowledge, but > because > > the choice not to do it has had almost no attention since the > inception of > > AI. > > > > =========================================== > > Next, I would add another whole section to Dorian's wet version of H-AGI: > > the 'dry' inorganic version. The wet version sounds fine to me. No > problem. > > I don't claim to have thought deeply about that. So I defer to Dorian. > > > > For the dry H-AGI I have already generated an example (in the paper I > have > > already written). I show the natural original, the modelled version > (C-AGI) > > and the inorganic version (H-AGI). It is not synthetic S-AGI because it > > doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. It only has that tiny > proportion > > of the natural physics being explored for its role in intelligence. It is > > not C-AGI and it is not S-AGI. It is H-AGI. Somewhere in between. Where > the > > natural biophysics computation stops the abstract modelling (analog or > > digital) takes over in its more traditional guises (computer or > > neuromorphic chip). Dry H-AGI doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. > > > > Biological tissue usage is (wet) H-AGI because it introduces a proportion > > of natural tissue (not the whole brain). All the biophysics, not all the > > brain. Inorganic replication of biological tissue biophysics is H-AGI > > because it retains part of the biophysics but is till not the whole > brain. > > Both wet and dry approaches are also H-AGI because they traditional > > modelling as a form of container for the biophysics. > > > > (Aside: The organic/wet H-AGI and the inorganic/dry H-AGI could be > classed > > as quantum-mechanical in nature by virtue of the biophysics ultimately > > being based on quantum processes. Classical physics is the only thing > > needed to describe it at the functional/construction level. The > properties > > conferred through the quantum substrate are something to be argued *after > > you built it, IMO*) > > > > *Summary* > > Dorian wants to do H-AGI biologically. I want to do it inorganically. > Both > > are really hard. Neither are synthetic S-AGI because they also have > > abstract modelling of other brain processes. If Dorian made a brain > > entirely out of organics (no abstract computation/models) , that would be > > synthetic. If I made a brain entirely out of inorganics (no abstract > > computation/models), that would be synthetic. > > > > Wet *and* Dry H-AGI are needed in an expanded conceptual basis for AGI > > future development. All that is required is to see that these > initiatives > > are currently unexplored and that the scientific knowledge needed to see > > which approach offers what future, and thereby put the pure abstract > > modelling approach on a scientific footing, is what the IGI is about. > > > > The Dry H-AGI section is what I want to add. I am hoping that we are on > the > > same page as regards the compartmentalisation of different approaches. > > > > Gnarly bits? Please advise. > > > > Gotta go ... panic prep for sale of my brother's house. > > > > regards > > > > Colin Hales > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Seveland > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Regards, Mark Seveland ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
