On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote:
> Given that we already know how to perform deep learning, and many other > AGI algorithms, efficiently on neural net hardware, I should think the > people on this mailing list who are truly interested in AGI would be > extremely interested in the advances in neuromorphic computing. > I think the mailing list has been depleted of much of the interest in the field that it once had. I agree that AI methods that can be applied to a lot of different kinds of problems that require intelligence are AGI algorithms because they are general AI algorithms. However, the denial or the lack of recognition of the significance of the fact that deep learning has not really achieved human-like reasoning is a little curious. If my memory is working (it does not always work that well) deep learning is often designed to combine discrete methods, and more dramatically for this kind of criticism, many narrow problem class methods with neural networks. So it is like you are ignoring all the specific narrow aspects of various projects in the field (as well as discrete AI methods) that have been essential to generating the wow factor in deep learning. The presumption that the neuromorphic methods that were mentioned would naturally succeed because they would somehow represent and even transcend natural nerve systems is a little silly. You do recognize that there is more to it but I seem to get the feeling that you don't appreciate the limitations of the deep learning methods. To make this a little more understandable, I am not saying that those limitations are fixed but that it is the kinds of limitations that are important. Technological sophistication is not going to solve the problems without the more-to-it-than-that stuff. Jim Bromer On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, justcamel. I did not know that. > > I am amazed there has not been more discussion on this list about my > neuromorphic post above. The article I described in it, along with other > articles I have read, imply we may well be within a relatively few years > from having hardware with almost twice as many neurons and synapses as the > human cortex on one 300mm silicon wafer, which could be manufactured at a > marginal cost of $7,000 to $15,000, and would only consume about one > kilowatt. Of course, there is more to making a roughly human-level AGI than > that, but such relatively inexpensive and incredibly powerful AGI hardware > could greatly accelerate the advent of machine superintelligence. > > Given that we already know how to perform deep learning, and many other > AGI algorithms, efficiently on neural net hardware, I should think the > people on this mailing list who are truly interested in AGI would be > extremely interested in the advances in neuromorphic computing. > Neuromorphic computing is almost certainly is the path that will lead to > powerful AGI. But based on the deafening silent response of this mailing > list to my above post, it seems not. > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 7:09 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Your own contributions to the mailing list don not end up in your inbox >> ... just check out the mailing list "directly" ... >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/ >> >> On 22.09.2015 02:25, EdFromNH . wrote: >> >>> [[[[[P.S. I am resending this because this intended content didn't >>> arrive until the 4th entry in the prior thread in which I tried to discuss >>> this.]]]]] >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8630185-a57a74e1 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
