James,
That's quite interesting...
I am curious about (among other things) the knowledge representation
you're using for these facts...
Could you give me examples of a couple of these facts, describing each
both in English and in (a text version of) your system's native
knowledge rep?
My own view is that this sort of system may be very valuable for
feeding knowledge into an early-stage, in-development AGI system, but
that linguistic input/output alone is unlikely to lead to a true AGI
in a reasonably rapid, computationally tractable way.
thanks
ben
On 5/8/06, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have been working on an interesting system that extracts facts about
common sense and general events from plain text sources.
I have found that by using a large corpus, 600+ recent novels
(1960's-current, non-sci-fi) You can extract alot of basic information from
them, solely by using statistical processing. I think this could be
successfully used by a larger study to fill in a large amount of basic
knowledge about the world.
I dont think we should make a strictly human robot, but we do have to be
careful to keep them close, and from diverging to greatly.
James Ratcliff
Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 5/8/06, James Ratcliff wrote:
> Thats a real fundamental problem though. We can make an AI intelligent
> without modeling the human learning process, but only to a point. If we
> continue down that path, just working on the intelligence aspect seperate
> from human experiences, what we wind up creating is something vastly
alien.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear: of course we do want to model "the
human learning process", as far as the mechanism is concerned. What we
don't and cannot model too closely is the content.
For example, an AI should be able to do analogy and to use metaphors,
just like us. However, they may have quite different opinion on
whether a concrete analogy or metaphor is good or bad, compared to the
opinion of a typical human being.
> Think about something as simple as eating and using the restroom. We can
> start out with an AI that doesnt include those really, because they are
not
> necessary for intelligence, and the robot would have no need for these
> things. But now think about a AI Assistant that doesnt know or relate to
> these ideas. He would start scheduling things during lunch, or designing
> buildings without bathrooms. At some point in time it would start
diverging
> greatly from our basic human functions and ways of life.
An AI Assistant will surely know these human needs, though it doen't
have to have it itself.
> So it appears plain to me that we really do have to build them "In our
> image" programming and aiming them for most of the ways we live.
To degree, yes, but to perfectly duplicate a human is not necessary
for AI. Even if it is possible (which I doubt), it will follow a very
defferent path of R&D.
> This does not necessarily, restrict them to learning in the same ways that
> we learn. For instance, they have the ability to read large amounts of
text
> very rapidly, and that will be agood starting point for them.
Sure, though it may not be as easy as many people assume. It is easy
to load a huge text file into a computer, but it is under the
condition that the system only needs to store it, but not to "absorb"
it to the extent that its content can be applied flexibly in the
future.
> While mobility and vision processing is a much harder action for them.
I'm not sure about whether it will remains to be the case in the future.
Pei
> James Ratcliff
>
>
> Pei Wang wrote:
> On 5/7/06, sanjay padmane wrote:
>
> >
> > On 5/7/06, Pei Wang wrote:
> > >
> > > AI
> > > doesn't necessarily follow the same path as how human intelligence is
> > > produced, even though it is indeed the only path that has been proved
> > > to work so far.
> > >
> >
> >
> > IMO, if a machine achieves true intelligence via a system that is
entirely
> > different from brain, it must, at some point in time, mirror a humanlike
> > intelligence, as one of its modules, in order to effectively communicate
> to
> > humans.
>
> Agree. There are many practical reasons to do so. However, since an AI
> won't have exactly human experience, it will not behave exactly as a
> human. More importantly, to behave as a human is not a necessary
> condition for a system to be considered as intelligent.
>
> > Such situation may arise if the AI grows out of an ideal seed and
> transforms
> > into something totally different from humans. But because humans are
> > responsible for its fabrication at this time and are using various short
> > cuts, taken from the knowledge of self, it is more likely that the AI
will
> > be mostly humanlike in a crude way and will transform into a different
> kind
> > (possibly better), while keeping the human 'parts'.
>
> The AI's knowledge base will surely have overlap with ours, though
> won't be identical, even at the very beginning.
>
> Pei
>
> > -Sanjay
> >
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