On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 08:25:54AM -0800, Peter Voss wrote: > Eugen> IBM is smart. They know what they're doing. > > Yeah! What an impressive argument.
If you're not impressed by IBM's raw resources and PI power in comparison to everybody else (all here present including, of course), then I don't know what you find impressing. > Eugen> There are shorter paths, but nobody knows where they are.... > > There is more known about the "shorter paths" than actual the functioning of > the human mind/brain. Reality check: what is working so far? Do you have anything which would approach the skills across the board of a 3 year old human baby? > * All current useful robots are engineered, not reverse-engineered. I don't find these robots particularly useful so they would compete for the same job slots I'm applying, nevermind the same job slots for which extreme talents are applying. > * All AI successes so far are engineered solutions, not copies of wetware > (Deep Blue, Darpa Challenge, Google, etc.) Deep Blue was a chess system. If you're defining AI in terms how a specialized system plays chess, this is ridiculous I have frankly nothing more to add. The Darpa Challenge is actually a good example, but is still a specialized system, with pathetic performance. Google, AI? You *are* kidding, right? > * Planes have been flying for >100 years, yet we haven't even > reverse-engineered a sparrow's fart... And we've been having AI since 1950, right? Except, we don't, and we won't for another 50 years, if you're continuing down the same, downtrodden, sterile path. > Ben, your comment seems to reflect your frustration at lack of funding > rather than a realistic assessment of the situation. Even if no *dedicated* > AGI engineering project is first to achieve AGI, people in the software/AI > community will "stumble on" a solution long before reverse engineering Stumble upon just like that, tripping on the soldering iron's power cord, and finding a couple simple neat equations on a piece of paper. *Right* Thanks for giving such a nice illustration of hubris and problem agnosia in one fell swoop. > becomes feasible. Don't you agree? I'm not Ben, but I disagree emphatically. Feel free to prove me wrong. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org";>leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
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