For object recognition think of OCR. OCR is very good now. It's not AGI it's, I dare to say, basically a mechanical operation. For general object recognition the same type of speed and accuracy would fit the bill. Is there a "self" needed for OCR?
For "us" yes a self is integral. If you are modeling an AGI after "us" a self would be needed but for AGI is self absolutely necessary and impossible without? Depends on your definition of AGI... John > From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm still v. much groping here - & still trying to absorb the idea of a > self > as essential to vision and visual object recognition. > > I suspect though that the kind of ideas you're suggesting - of some AGI > without a self - are strictly a fiction and illusion. > > The self, it seems to me, is integral to how we perceive the world > generally. We measure and compare the world with our body - with hands, > feet, digits and, once, cubits. We compare the speed and size of all > things > with our own. We understand the movement of things by comparing it to > our > own. We can only understand other minds in relation to our own. > > An AGI without a self or body is impossible, I suspect, because, among > other > things, it would be without coherent and necessary standards of > measurement > and comparison, and motives. It would be a functional mess, even if it > looked elegant and rational on the design board. > > As yet, though, this whole area - of how mind and intelligence are > centred > and dependent on a self and body - is still very poorly articulated. ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415&id_secret=28696247-7f2802
