IN RESPONSE TO "Hmm, how then is a modern PC valuable? It has no representation of the type advocated by AI designers interested in that sort of things.
BUT IT DOES HAVE REPRESENTATION IN THE FORM OR CODE AND DATA. DOES IT HAVE THE TYPE OF REPRESENTATION ADVOCATED BY AI DESIGNERS. NO! BUT CAN IT COMPUTE IN THE WAY ADVOCATED BY AI DESIGNERS. NO! Edward W. Porter Porter & Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: William Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:49 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] "symbol grounding" Q&A On 16/10/2007, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Josh, your Tue 10/16/2007 8:58 AM post was a very good one. I have > just a few comments in all-caps. > > "The view I suggest instead is that it's not the symbols per se, but > the machinery that manipulates them, that provides semantics." > > MACHINERY WITHOUT REPRESENTATION TO COMPUTE FROM IS OF AS LITTLE > >VALUE AS REPRESENTATION WITHOUT MACHINERY TO COMPUTE FROM IT. Hmm, how then is a modern PC valuable? It has no representation of the type advocated by AI designers interested in that sort of things. The closest thing it has to a representation of that type is int and floats and how they interact with operators. Highly abstract, and by Turing completeness they are not necessary to make a system that can compute everything it can compute, you could go as highly abstract as a TM. However even lacking a high level representation it can still deal with folders/files, because machinery has been built on top of the abstract low level maths to give these concepts similar meaning to what humans make of them. So I would contend that representation of the world is fully dependent upon the machinery within the system. As I am interested in systems in which the machinery re-configures itself to some degree, there is no such thing as, "The Representation," merely changeable machinery and abstract data that can be viewed as representing things at a point in time. Will Pearson ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=54741003-ee8797
