Mike, I have Lakoff & Johnson "Metaphors We Live By". And I'll order the other titles you recommend. -Steve
Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:07:26 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Steve, You raise huge issues. I broadly agree with the direction you're going with your multilevelled approach to physically implementing verbal commands. However, I'm quite sure there is still more than you think - including a whole level of image schemas - useful here to think of the analogy of geometry as a whole supportive level of science's upper level of words and other symbols. I seriously recommend, in fact insist that you have got to get into Lakoff-Johnson, and Rizzolatti-Gallese-Iacoboni & the mirror neurons crowd. These guys are working together & doing some of the hottest research at the mo. Try Chap 8 of Mark Johnson, The Meaning of the Body - and more. Basically, experiments show the brain does start to instantiate and process physical verbal commands and ideas on a pre-motor level all the time - and indeed has to, if you think about it. If someone says "come with me to the supermarket", your brain has to process that on a motor level for you to immediately reply: "I can't, I've got a weak ankle." Actually, come to think of it, verbal porn is probably a truly great area to explore in terms of multilevelled, and v. physical processing here! I haven't really thought about physical/robotic instantiation of commands much, except that the starting point will normally be that the body and its limbs typically offer something like a 180-360 degree spectrum of freedom of movement on any given plane, and then I guess, as you indicate, the brain-body will plump first for the easiest most direct line of physical approach to a target, and then adjust accordingly to obstacles. Clearly it will have certain movement sets/skills - so even if you are trying to dance around, say, freely, improvisationally, you tend to fall into certain familiar kinds of moves and find it difficult to "branch out in new directions." - As soon as one starts to think about these areas, it seems to me, the need for what I would call a loose "geoiconography" (as opposed to precise geometry/ geography) of thought - i.e. a system of mental image schemas - becomes apparent. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=98558129-0bdb63 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
