>> I agree with your side of the debate about whole KB not fitting into RAM. >> As a solution, I propose to partition the whole KB into the tiniest possible >> cached chunks, suitable for a single agent running on a host computer with >> RAM resources of at least one GB. And I propose that AGI will consist not >> of one program running on one computer, but a vast multitude of separately >> hosted agents working in concert.
Um. Neither side is arguing that the whole KB fit into RAM. I'm arguing that the necessary *core* for intelligence plus enough "cached chunks" (as you phrase it) to support the current thought processes WILL fit into RAM. It's obviously ludicrous that all the world's knowledge is going to fit into RAM at one time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Reed To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [agi] database access fast enough? YKY, I agree with your side of the debate about whole KB not fitting into RAM. As a solution, I propose to partition the whole KB into the tiniest possible cached chunks, suitable for a single agent running on a host computer with RAM resources of at least one GB. And I propose that AGI will consist not of one program running on one computer, but a vast multitude of separately hosted agents working in concert. But my opinion of the OpenCyc concept coverage with respect to that of a human five-year old differs greatly from yours. I concede that 200000 OpenCyc facts are about the number a child might know, but in order to properly ground these concepts, I believe that a much larger number of feature vectors will have to be stored or available in abstracted form. For example, there is the concept of the child's mother. Properly grounding that one concept might require abstracting features from thousands of observations: a.. wet hair mother b.. far away mother c.. angy mother d.. mother hidden from view e.. mother in a crowd f.. mother's voice g.. mother in dim light h.. mother from below i.. and so on Of course you can ignore fully grounded concepts as does current Cycorp for its applications, and as I will with Texai until it is past the bootstrap stage. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 ----- Original Message ---- From: YKY (Yan King Yin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:58:43 PM Subject: Re: [agi] database access fast enough? On 4/18/08, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes. RAM is *HUGE*. Intelligence is *NOT*. > > > > Really? I will believe that if I see more evidence... right now I'm > skeptical. > > And your *opinion* has what basis? Are you arguing that RAM isn't huge? > That's easily disprovable. Or are you arguing that intelligence is huge? > That too is easily disprovable. Which one do I need to knock down? The current OpenCyc KB is ~200 Mbs (correct me if I'm wrong). The RAM size of current high-end PCs is ~10 Gbs. My intuition estimates that the current OpenCyc is only about 10%-40% of a 5 year-old human intelligence. Plus, learning requires that we store a lot of hypotheses. Let's say 1000-10000 times the real KB. That comes to 500Gb - 20Tb. It seems that if we allow several years for RAM size to double a few times, RAM may have a chance to catch up to the low end. Obviously not now. YKY ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
