John, Your posting suggests that you know something that I don't, but I can't figure out just what it is. Hence, I'll comment from my solid position of ignorance and hopefully you will see the error in my understanding and correct it.
Note the STRONG parallel here with the general AGI problem-solving problem, wherein you, our simulated AGI, must figure out just what it is that I don't understand and feed me whatever is needed to correct my lack of understanding. THIS is the piece that appears (to me) to be beyond reasonable automation. On 5/17/08, John Bäckstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a pointer: atleast some wikia admins seem to have a interest in AI. Which, since it is HIGHLY fluid at this point in history, must mean that they are open to new software entering to implement AI. > Unfortunately a wikia only allows you to edit new data, Wiki now only supports VISIBLE data, with no provision for supporting INvisible metadata to guide AI engines. The KEY piece seems to be the regular expressions needed to recognize the combination of domain-specific ignorance coupled with applicability of the material in the article. > they probably would not like one to modify the software too much. Which tells me two things: 1. They aren't all that interested in AI, and 2. Wiki software isn't sufficiently modular to allow for simple add-on capabilities. > They do enable use of semantic mediawiki if one wants to, though, and it > seems to be working nicely. For searching, but NOT for problem solving, that requires (at bare minimum) the regular expressions mentioned above. Hopefully from my comments, you can ferret out whatever it is that I am missing. Thanks. Steve Richfield =============== > On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Steve Richfield < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mike, Stan, et al, >> >> I have recently had some interesting off-line discussions that may be >> pulling things together, so I thought that I would run the emerging >> concept up the flagpole here and get any opinions. >> >> I have previously posted here the horrific problems trying to deal with >> the Wiki people, as they apparently perceive value in impeding a good AI/AGI >> interface to Wikipedia. Apparently, even their own internal people can't get >> help here, as it might lead to loosing control over the search business. >> However... >> >> The Wikipedia software is open source, and some companies even maintain >> their own domain-specific wikis as knowledge base. Further, the AI/AGI >> interface problem is certainly not their only problem. The 2nd biggest >> problem is their implicit insistence on a single model/paradigm behind every >> article, which limits Wiki to being of value only for grade-school support. >> >> Note in passing the value of faulty models. Often the most accurate model >> suggests no means of correction, whereas a less accurate model suggests >> corrections that quite often (but sometimes don't) work (see puppy update >> below). Limiting articles to single models destroys MOST of the potential >> value of Wikipedia, as does blocking an AI/AGI interface. >> >> Proposal: Start a new AI/AGI Wikipedia, starting with the present >> open-source Wikipedia software with minor mods to collect additional >> information from authors and build a database on an associated FTP site for >> anyone to download. This should soon take over the Wiki business from the >> present Wikipedia folks. A well placed patent application would impede their >> following suit, thereby seizing this entire marketplace. >> >> Unfortunately, this is too big of a project to be funded with my lunch >> money or built and maintained with my limited spare time. However, with an >> investor to cover miscellaneous expenses, a server to hold the site, and >> some co-conspirators to help make it go; and this could quite easily take >> over much/most of the Internet in a way that would be MUCH bigger than ever >> envisioned by Wikipedia. >> >> *Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the >> knowledge of the human race to support it - built with EXISTING Wikipedia >> and Dr. Eliza software and a little glue to hold it all together?* >> >> Note that unlike the present Internet, that Dr. Eliza is pretty much >> language-independent. You can even put in a problem statement in one >> language, and get the unanswered questions and analysis out in another >> language. The principles underlying this are similar to financial systems >> that keep the numbers in a database, and use different language versions of >> their program to access it, only in Dr. Eliza, nearly every record has a >> field to indicate language so that no software changes are needed to support >> different languages, though trivial enhancements ARE needed to support new >> languages with previously unsupported features, e.g. the differing use of >> periods and commas in numbers depending on which side of the pond that you >> reside on. With this, the WHOLE world would be automatically included, >> rather than just the English language part of it (with trivial separate >> participation by other languages) as is presently the case. No longer would >> the Internet be divided up according to languages. >> >> Puppy Update: >> >> The puppy is doing MUCH better, and is now starting to explore. Three new >> theories as to its problems have emerged: >> >> 1. Pus found on its fur pointed the way to an abscess in its armpit that >> had evaded previous inspection. The abscess seems to be too small to be >> life-threatening, but who knows? >> 2. It has an umbilical hernia that might be strangling some intestines. >> 3. Like some people, it would apparently rather die than eat puppy food, >> though it doesn't seem to be picky about eating minced leftovers. >> >> However, earlier theories, though probably incorrect, DID guide the way to >> treatment that, though not perfect (it would have been nice to lance the >> abscess), was sufficiently successful to save its life. This serves to >> highlight the value of incorrect theories, that they often provide the right >> answers in a timely manner, even when for the wrong reasons. >> >> Steve Richfield >> >> ------------------------------ >> *agi* | Archives <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<http://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com/> >> > > > > -- > John Bäckstrand > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<http://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
