On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But in future, there could be impostor agents that act like >> they have humanlike subjective experience but don't ... and we >> could uncover them by analyzing their internals... > > What internal properties of a Turing machine distinguish one that has > subjective experiences from an equivalent machine (implementing the same > function) that only pretends to have subjective experience?
You're asking a different question. What I said was that internal properties could distinguish a) a machine having HUMANLIKE subjective experiences from b) a machine just claiming to have HUMANLIKE subjective experiences, but not really having them I don't care to get into the stupid argument as to whether "subjective experience" is a meaningful and useful concept or not. If you find that it is not, feel free not to use it; but please don't pester those of us who **do** find it meaningful and useful ;-) I wrote my views on subjective vs objective reality in The Hidden Pattern quite explicitly if you're curious. I view them as separate realms of being which however have interesting correlations btw them. In this sense I'm a panpsychist and I would say that every program has some qualia attached to it. But not necessarily human-qualia-like qualia... that's a different story. -- Ben G ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
