Hi Steve,
I'm thinking about the solution to the "Friendliness" problem, and in
particular desperately need to finish my paper on it for the AAAI Fall
Symposium that is due by next Sunday.
What I would suggest, however, is that quickly formatted e-mail postings are
exactly the wrong method for addressing "high-level issues that challenge the
contemporary herd mentality". Part of the problem is that quick e-mails always
(must) assume agreement on foundational issues and/or (must) assume that the
reader will agree with (or take your word for) many points. A much better way
of getting your point across (and proving that it is a valid point) is to write
yourself a nice six-to-twelve page publishable-quality scientific paper. Doing
so will be difficult and time-consuming but ultimately far more worthwhile than
just throwing something out to be consumed and probably ultimately ignored by a
mailing list of bigots.
Mark
P.S. Mike Tintner is was ahead of everyone in no response postings not because
he challenges the herd mentality but because he has no clue of what he is
talking about and endlessly repeats variations of the same point *without*
successfully proving it's foundations, successfully answering criticism, or
even extending his point into something that is worthwhile and usable as
opposed to just random speculation. Also, bleating about the fact that you're
not being answered because you're challenging the herd, even if true, is only
counter-productive and whiny and more likely to get you ignored -- especially
if you do it in all caps.
Crocker's rules as always (with the waste of my time exception :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Reed
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...
Hi Steve,
I'm thinking about the Texai bootstrap dialog system, and in particular about
adding grammar rules and vocabulary for the utterance "Compile a class".
Cheers.
-Steve
Stephen L. Reed
Artificial Intelligence Researcher
http://texai.org/blog
http://texai.org
3008 Oak Crest Ave.
Austin, Texas, USA 78704
512.791.7860
----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 2:28:07 AM
Subject: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...
Mike Tintner, et al,
After failing to get ANY response to what I thought was an important point
(Paradigm Shifting regarding Consciousness) I went back through my AGI inbox to
see what other postings by others weren't getting any responses. Mike Tintner
was way ahead of me in no-response postings.
A quick scan showed that these also tended to address high-level issues that
challenge the contemporary herd mentality. In short, most people on this list
appear to be interested only in HOW to straight-line program an AGI (with the
implicit assumption that we operate anything at all like we appear to operate),
but not in WHAT to program, and most especially not in any apparent
insurmountable barriers to successful open-ended capabilities, where attention
would seem to be crucial to ultimate success.
Anyone who has been in high-tech for a few years KNOWS that success can come
only after you fully understand what you must overcome to succeed. Hence, based
on my own past personal experiences and present observations here, present
efforts here would seem to be doomed to fail - for personal if not for
technological reasons.
Normally I would simply dismiss this as rookie error, but I know that at
least some of the people on this list have been around as long as I have been,
and hence they certainly should know better since they have doubtless seen many
other exuberant rookies fall into similar swamps of programming complex systems
without adequate analysis.
Hey you guys with some gray hair and/or bald spots, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU
THINKING?
Steve Richfield
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