2008/6/24 Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What makes every body in this world different is that it is to some extent,
> IRREGULAR - "CRAZY." Look at those faces again - what stamps them as
> different is their irregularities, the slightly off jawlines, imbalanced
> eyebrows, twisted smile and the irregular combination of all those features.
> And your brain is so sensitive to those differences -  if you saw a human
> face that was perfectly regular, you'd be upset. We crave the "individual
> touch" as well as the symmetrical.


Strictly speaking, jawlines and eyebrows do not exist in these images.
 Your brain is taking the available data - a relatively low bandwidth
signal corrupted by noise and systematic nonlinear distortion - and
imposing a particular geometric interpretation onto them which allows
you to assign such categories.  Much of visual understanding involves
bidirectional synchronization between high level interpretations and
low level directly observable evidence.



> Actually there is a vast and much larger world of IRREGULAR shapes, abstract
> as well as real, that geometry has never heard of, and is forbidden from
> dealing with - which you will find especially in the abstract arts
>
> (in case you need reminding:
> http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=abstract+art&go=&form=QBLH&scope=images


Are you claiming that these images are incapable of being described
geometrically?



> - like the "squarishes" of Rothko, and "rectangular-y's-sort-of" and
> circularishes and not just formulaic, if sophisticated random walks aka
> geometry, but truly crazy doodles aka Mike Tintner and blobby blots a la
> Jackson Pollock. The abstract arts reflect real world shapes much more
> accurately than geometry.


Pollock's paintings contain a lot of geometry originating from
physical interaction between the artist and the laws of nature.  The
fact that you can describe something as "blobby" suggests that it
contains a particular type of geometry.

A nice image:

    
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/maya12345678_bucket/pollock-7464891.jpg



> But images and imagination are able to reflect the concrete reality without
> abstracting (or with much less) - the irregularities of faces, the messiness
> of rooms, the disorder of events that defeats and always will defeat any
> attempt at comprehensive analysis.


That's a bold claim.  Do you have a proof ?



> Imaginative systems positively glory in the individual and irregular and
> BREAKING the pattern - hence rational John a while ago, missed the whole
> point of music.


Pattern breaking is important in many ways.  What you're experiencing
is a disturbance or (at the extreme) a phase transition in the normal
synchronisation process which allows you to construct your perceived
world.  Music plays all kinds of tricks with patterns - visual arts do
it too.


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