I agree w/ Motters ... mirroring is an abstract dynamical process, not a specific biological mechanism ... and is not even specifically tied to embodiment, although the two do work naturally together...
I think that embodied (physically or virtually) AI's with in-built bias toward mirroring are the best path toward AGI at present (given that we embodied humans are building, testing and teaching the AGI's) ... but I don't think slavish adherence to humanlike bodies or minds is important. What is important is having a theoretical understanding that tells us which aspects of human mind are more/less critical to "generally humanlike mind", and which are more-so just human peculiarities... ben On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/8/8 Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Now my v. garbled understanding (& please comment) is that those Carnegie > > Mellon starfish robots show that such an integrated whole self is both > > possible - and perhaps vital - for robots too. > > > Yes I agree with the idea of understanding others through mirroring > and self modeling as in the starfish. If the goal is to closely > immitate human intelligence then clearly something like this will be > necessary. > > I can also imagine other types of non human-like intelligence which > also have sensors and actuators (in an abstract sense) and the > capability of self modeling, but which are not physically emodied > (perhaps they're purely internet based). Such systems may not be able > to understand the behavior of animals or people, but would be able to > mirror other entities like themselves via the same underlying > principles guiding physical mirroring. > > In a sense I do think that embodiment is essential, but that what > qualifies as "embodied" could extend beyond the physical. > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
