Note that in this view play has nothing to do with having a body. An AGi concerned solely with mathematical theorem proving would also be able to play...
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > About play... I would argue that it emerges in any sufficiently > generally-intelligent system > that is faced with goals that are difficult for it ... as a consequence of > other general cognitive > processes... > > If an intelligent system has a goal G which is time-consuming or difficult > to achieve ... > > it may then synthesize another goal G1 which is easier to achieve > > We then have the uncertain syllogism > > Achieving G implies reward > G1 is similar to G > |- > Achieving G1 implies reward > > As links between goal-achievement and reward are to some extent modified by > uncertain > inference (or analogous process, implemented e.g. in neural nets), we thus > have the > emergence of "play" ... in cases where G1 is much easier to achieve than G > ... > > Of course, if working toward G1 is actually good practice for working > toward G, this may give the intelligent > system (if it's smart and mature enough to strategize) or evolution impetus > to create > additional bias toward the pursuit of G1 > > In this view, play is a quite general structural phenomenon ... and the > play that human kids do with blocks and sticks and so forth is a special > case, oriented toward ultimate goals G involving physical manipulation > > And the knack in gaining anything from play is in appropriate > similarity-assessment ... i.e. in measuring similarity between G and G1 in > such a way that achieving G1 actually teaches things useful for achieving G > > So for any goal-achieving system that has long-term goals which it can't > currently effectively work directly toward, play may be an effective > strategy... > > In this view, we don't really need to design an AI system with play in > mind. Rather, if it can explicitly or implicitly carry out the above > inference, concept-creation and subgoaling processes, play should emerge > from its interaction w/ the world... > > ben g > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:20 AM, David Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 8/26/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Is anyone trying to design a self-exploring robot or computer? Does this >>> principle have a name? >> >> >> Interestingly, some views on AI advocate specifically prohibiting >> self-awareness and self-exploration as a precaution against the development >> of unfriendly AI. In my opinion, these views erroneously transfer familiar >> human motives onto 'alien' AGI cognitive architectures - there's a history >> of discussing this topic on SL4 and other places. >> >> I believe however that most approaches to designing AGI (those that do not >> specifically prohibit self-aware and self-explortative behaviors) take for >> granted, and indeed intentionally promote, self-awareness and >> self-exploration at most stages of AGI development. In other words, >> efficient and effective recursive self-improvement (RSI) requires >> self-awareness and self-exploration. If any term exists to describe a >> 'self-exploring robot or computer', that term is RSI. Coining a lesser term >> for 'self-exploring AI' may be useful in some proto-AGI contexts, but I >> suspect that 'RSI' is ultimately a more useful and meaningful term. >> >> -dave >> ------------------------------ >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first > overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson > > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
