Just off the cuff here - isn't the same true for vision? You can't learn vision
from vision. Just as all NLP has no connection with the real world, and totally
relies on the human programmer's knowledge of that world.
Your visual program actually relies totally on your visual "vocabulary" - not
its own. That is the inevitable penalty of processing unreal signals on a
computer screen which are not in fact connected to the real world any more than
the verbal/letter signals involved in NLP are.
What you need to do - what anyone in your situation with anything like your
asprations needs to do - is to hook up with a roboticist. Everyone here should
be doing that.
From: David Jones
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:27 PM
To: agi
Subject: Re: [agi] A Primary Distinction for an AGI
You can't learn language from language without embedding way more knowledge
than is reasonable. Language does not contain the information required for its
interpretation. There is no *reason* to interpret the language into any of the
infinite possible interpretaions. There is nothing to explain but it requires
explanatory reasoning to determine the correct real world interpretation
On Jun 29, 2010 10:58 AM, "Matt Mahoney" <matmaho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
David Jones wrote:
> Natural language requires more than the words on the page in the real
world. Of...
Any knowledge that can be demonstrated over a text-only channel (as in the
Turing test) can also be learned over a text-only channel.
> Cyc also is trying to store knowledge about a super complicated world in
simplistic forms and al...
Cyc failed because it lacks natural language. The vast knowledge store of the
internet is unintelligible to Cyc. The average person can't use it because they
don't speak Cycl and because they have neither the ability nor the patience to
translate their implicit thoughts into augmented first order logic. Cyc's
approach was understandable when they started in 1984 when they had neither the
internet nor the vast computing power that is required to learn natural
language from unlabeled examples like children do.
> Vision and other sensory interpretaion, on the other hand, do not require
more info because that...
Without natural language, your system will fail too. You don't have enough
computing power to learn language, much less the million times more computing
power you need to learn to see.
-- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com
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From: David Jones <davidher...@gmail.com>
To: agi <a...@v2.listbox.c...
Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 9:28:57 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] A Primary Distinction for an AGI
Natural language requires more than the words on the page in the real world.
Of course that didn't ...
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