On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > I spend a shiny to CFJ "In the below-quoted message, PSS resolved an Agoran
> > Decision".
I judge as follows in CFJ 3582:
Let's take the following situation, because it's clearer than the
Decision process:
Secretary: "Report: I have 1 shiny, and Alexis has 2 shinies."
Alexis: "CoE: your attempt to transfer a shiny to me last week
was nttpf, so you still have 2 and I only have 1."
Secretary: "Correct. Re-published Report: I transfer 1 Shiny to
Alexis. I have 1 shiny, and Alexis has 2 shinies."
Things to notice:
1. The "re-published report" is in fact not a revision of the old
report (with the corrected facts at the time), but a new report with
new events that occurred since the first report.
2. Just because the corrective action is nested in the "report"
doesn't mean it fails (performing actions in "report bodies" isn't the
best policy, but we've allowed it many times). The transfer action
is outside the self-ratifying part (shiny holdings).
3. The assertion that the Secretary is "re-publishing" the report is
false. But e goes on to publish it, so it's a new published report
(with new self-ratifying facts) by definition, even if that header is
untrue with respect to "publish" versus "re-publish".
In the actual situation:
-The original self-ratifying information under CoE is not the full
voting report, but the claim that some Decisions were "resolved as
indicated" (R2034). That is, only the adopted/failed portion of the
report, which is what "indicates" that a decision was resolved, is
subject to self-ratification, so this is the target of the CoE.
-The corrective action was publishing new voting totals as per R208.
-The "new report" was a new statement of what Decisions were adopted
or failed after the new corrective action.
-PSS's claim to "re-publish" was incorrect, but then e published
a correct and clear statement of resolution as per R208. This was
no more unclear than many informal preambles we use for actions
(e.g. throwaway statements like "I hereby do..."). Even if the
preamble is inaccurate, it is not unclear enough to disclaim or
invalidate the decision resolution.
-While PSS accepted the CoE, e has not published a revision to the
original report as required by R2201, which would be a statement
such as "as of [date of original report], these decisions had not
in fact been resolved". So that is an outstanding requirement for
em to perform (but a minor one we frequently ignore).
-However, the main action under question, the second attempt to
resolve the Decisions as per R208, succeeded. So I judge TRUE.
> > Arguments: See also CFJ 3576 about revisions of reports. In this case, PSS
> > said e is republishing the below as a revision, but what does that mean?
> > With a report, there is no action except for publication,
> > but with a decision resolution, there is an action (namely, resolving the
> > decisions). Compare and contrast rule 2201, which specifically mentions
> > revisions, and rule 208, which sets out conditions for a
> > decision resolution. Clearly, PSS's first resolution was wholly INVALID
> > with consequences such as invalidating the subsequent claim of the reward
> > for resolution.
> >
> > Is this second one supposed to resolve the decision correctly, or merely to
> > correct the previously published document? I argue that this is
> > sufficiently unclear as to fail the test required for "by
> > announcement", meaning that e does not actually resolve the decision in
> > this message.
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 14:26 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > <p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is correct. I republish the below as a revision:
> >
> >
> > I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7923-7929 below.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
> > following proposals. For each decision, the options available to
> > Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
> > decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
> > before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]
> >
> > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender
> > Pend fee
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 7923x Gaelan 1.0 Another Economy Fix Attempt Gaelan 1
> > AP
> > 7924* Aris, [1] 3.0 Contracts v8 Aris 1
> > sh.
> > 7925* Aris, Alexis 3.0 Safety Regulations v2 Aris 1
> > AP
> > 7926x Alexis 3.0 Deregulation Alexis 1
> > AP
> > 7927* V.J. Rada, G. 2.0 Estate Auction Fix V.J. Rada 1
> > sh.
> > 7928* G. 3.0 no we can't G. 1
> > AP
> > 7929x V.J. Rada 1.0 Consumerism V.J. Rada 1
> > sh.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > | | 7923 | 7924 | 7025 | 7926 | 7927 | 7928 | 7929 |
> > |--------+------+------+------+------+------+------+------+
> > |Alexis | AA | PP | FF | FF | FF | FF | PP |
> > |Aris | A | F | F | A | F | F | A |
> > |ATMunn | A | F | F | A | F | F | A |
> > |G | A | F | F | F | F | F | A |
> > |nichdel | A | F | P | P | F | F | P |
> > |PSS | A | F | F | A | F | F | F |
> > |Trigon | F | F | P | P | P | P | A |
> > |VJ Rada | F | F | F | F | F | F | F |
> > |--------+------+------+------+------+------+------+------+
> > |F/A | 2/7 | 7/0 | 7/0 | 4/3 | 8/0 | 8/0 | 3/4 |
> > |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 1.0 |
> > |V | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 |
> > |Q | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
> > |P | F | T | T | F | T | T | F |
> >
> > On 10/22/2017 09:40 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > >
> > > CoE: My votes count double as PM
> > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017, 08:31 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus,
> > > <p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7923-7929 below.
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt
> > the
> > > following proposals. For each decision, the options available
> > to
> > > Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If
> > a
> > > decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
> > > before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]
> > >
> > > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender
> >
> > > Pend fee
> > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 7923x Gaelan 1.0 Another Economy Fix Attempt Gaelan
> >
> > > 1 AP
> > > 7924* Aris, [1] 3.0 Contracts v8 Aris
> >
> > > 1 sh.
> > > 7925* Aris, Alexis 3.0 Safety Regulations v2 Aris
> >
> > > 1 AP
> > > 7926x Alexis 3.0 Deregulation Alexis
> >
> > > 1 AP
> > > 7927* V.J. Rada, G. 2.0 Estate Auction Fix V.J.
> > Rada
> > > 1 sh.
> > > 7928* G. 3.0 no we can't G.
> >
> > > 1 AP
> > > 7929x V.J. Rada 1.0 Consumerism V.J.
> > Rada
> > > 1 sh.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The full text of each adopted proposal is included below.
> > >
> > >
> > > | | 7923 | 7924 | 7025 | 7926 | 7927 | 7928 | 7929 |
> > > |--------+------+------+------+------+------+------+------+
> > > |Alexis | A | P | F | F | F | F | P |
> > > |Aris | A | F | F | A | F | F | A |
> > > |ATMunn | A | F | F | A | F | F | A |
> > > |G | A | F | F | F | F | F | A |
> > > |nichdel | A | F | P | P | F | F | P |
> > > |PSS | A | F | F | A | F | F | F |
> > > |Trigon | F | F | P | P | P | P | A |
> > > |VJ Rada | F | F | F | F | F | F | F |
> > > |--------+------+------+------+------+------+------+------+
> > > |F/A | 2/6 | 7/0 | 6/0 | 3/3 | 7/0 | 7/0 | 2/4 |
> > > |AI | 1.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 1.0 |
> > > |V | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 |
> > > |Q | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
> > > |P | F | T | T | F | T | T | F |
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > ID: 7825
> > > Title: Safety Regulations v2
> > > Adoption index: 3.0
> > > Author: Aris
> > > Co-author(s): Alexis
> > >
> > >
> > > Amend Rule 2493, "Regulations", by
> > >
> > > * Replacing every instance of the word "instrument" with the
> > > words "textual
> > > entity"; and
> > > * Amending the second paragraph to read in full "A regulation
> > > must be
> > > authorized by at least one rule in order for it to exist. A
> > > regulation has
> > > effect on the game (only) insofar as the rule or rules that
> > > authorized it
> > > permit it to have effect. If reasonably possible, a
> > regulation
> > > should be
> > > interpreted so as to defer to other rules. The procedure for
> > > resolving
> > > conflict between regulations is the same as it is for rules
> > > (for the
> > > purposes of resolving conflicts only, a regulation is
> > treated
> > > as if it
> > > had the power of its least powerful parent rule)."
> > >
> > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > ID: 7827
> > > Title: Estate Auction Fix
> > > Adoption index: 2.0
> > > Author: V.J. Rada
> > > Co-author(s): G.
> > >
> > >
> > > Amend rule 2491 by replacing the text "transfer the auctioned
> > > Estate to the winner by announcement, by paying Agora the
> > amount of
> > > the bid, or by causing the winning Organization" with "transfer
> > the
> > > auctioned Estate to the winner by announcement and by either
> > paying
> > > Agora the amount of the bid or causing the winning Organization"
> > >
> > >
> > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > ID: 7828
> > > Title: no we can't
> > > Adoption index: 3.0
> > > Author: G.
> > > Co-author(s):
> > >
> > >
> > > Amend Rule 2125 (Regulated Actions) by replacing:
> > >
> > > Restricted Actions CAN only be performed as described by the
> > Rules.
> > >
> > > with:
> > > A Restricted Action CAN only be performed as described by the
> > > Rules, and only
> > > using the methods explicitly specified in the Rules for
> > > performing the given
> > > action.
> > >
> > > [this over-arching protection means in general, "by
> > announcement"
> > > is NOT implied. I just want to put this in place and absolutely
> > > clarify the ruleset if it passes, and we can add the MMI change
> > later
> > > if desired].
> > >
> > >
> > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
