On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, omd wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Kerim Aydin <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't think the ratification causes anyone to become anything new; > > it ratifies that a past message wasn't sent and so that any states are > > continuous in terms of gamestate. > > Well, this is the old issue of whether or not history is part of the > "gamestate", the apathy over which is incidentally what I deregistered > over. ais523's judgement in that case is consistent with the theory > that the gamestate only includes the current values of tracked > quantities, so whatever the proposal is trying to simulate, when it > takes effect Yally is still considered to have not been the Pariah a > moment ago, thus to have become one now.
Ah, very interesting. I admit I didn't pay much attention to the CFJ so I was part of the apathy. I think I side with you - if you're saying that history itself - in the sense that it's part of the gamestate - can be retroactively set. I think given that at power-3.2 saying "that previous message was never sent" means that that previous message was never sent! Hard to get around any game custom at that power. After all, in standard legal fiction: "As of this message, set the legal fiction that X happened a week ago" doesn't set the legal fiction that X happened upon this message, it sets the fiction for *all* legal purposes (e.g. the gamestate) that X happened a week ago. Now of course, in the meta-gamestate, X happened upon the message, but the meta gamestate isn't part of the gamestart... or... er... hmm. > >> You didn't say anything about a specified player's voting limit on an > >> ordinary decision with a blah blah blah. > > > > Counterargument: saying "clout" is sufficient and unambiguous shorthand for > > same. Not convinced either way. > > I don't think you can imply which player and which Chamber. "Chamber" is "ordinary" and the Clout win is for ordinary (legacy duplication from previous chamber rules) and "I" pretty much identifies the player, but I agree it's far far more tenuous than I thought. -G.
