It'll be interesting if Michael rules that this statement is FALSE, on the ground that the selection of a Judge for the earlier statement (and by extension, his own selection as Judge) can be shown to be illegal.
On 27 June 2013 21:11, Fool <fool1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/06/2013 11:29 PM, Chuck Carroll wrote: > >> I invoke judgement on the following statement: The assignment of Walker as >> Judge for the statement "The selection of a Judge for this statement is a >> move whose legality cannot be determined with finality" is a move whose >> legality cannot be determined with finality. >> > > And I roll my virtual 8-sided die and assign this to..... Michael. > You have 24 hours. > > (Michael didn't vote on 341, but he did vote on 343, which closed before > Chuck raised this new CFJ. 344-347 close in about an hour, report then.) > > -Dan > > > >> Reasoning: same as before. This is just to cover the possibility, as omd >> brought up, that "move" in the context of Rule 219 might mean only an >> actual >> or at least attempted move, and not merely a hypothetical move (as the >> assignment of a Judge was at the time of the previous CFJ). >> >> Chuck >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: agora-discussion >> [mailto:agora-discussion-**boun...@agoranomic.org<agora-discussion-boun...@agoranomic.org>] >> On >> Behalf Of Fool >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:10 PM >> To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.**org <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> >> Subject: DIS: Agora XX: CFJ assigned to Walker >> >> On 26/06/2013 10:09 AM, games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: >> >>> I invoke judgement on the following statement: The selection of a >>> Judge for this statement is a move whose legality cannot be determined >>> with finality. >>> >> >> By rule 331, I must randomly select from myself or those who voted on the >> last proposal, excluding Chuck. The last proposal was 341 (...OR WAS >> IT??) >> >> My virtual 8-sided die comes up...... Walker again. You have 24 hours. >> >> >> >>> Reasoning: Rule 331 reads, "The Speaker shall choose Judges randomly >>> from the set of qualified players. The players qualified to judge a >>> statement are the Speaker and those Voters who voted on the rule >>> change whose voting period most recently ended, except for the player >>> who invoked judgement, and the player (if any) most recently selected as >>> >> the statement's Judge. >> >>> >>> The voting periods on proposed rule changes 331 through 341 all ended >>> simultaneously. However, the set of Voters who voted on these rule >>> changes is not identical, but varies by proposal. (Specifically: >>> Steve, Chuck, Walker, Yally, omd, and ehird voted on all eleven >>> proposals; FSX and Blob voted on proposal 340 only; Murphy and Roujo >>> voted on proposal 341 only.) Rule 331 demands that qualified players >>> are the Speaker and Voters who voted on *the* rule change whose voting >>> >> period most recently ended. >> >>> Singular. Not the last listed or highest numbered among simultaneously >>> ending proposals, and neither the union nor the intersection of Voters >>> who voted on simultaneously ending proposals. There is no method by >>> which to select *which* proposal's voters, from simultaneously ending >>> proposals, are eligible, and thus the selection of a Judge from the >>> Speaker and Voters who voted on any specific one of Proposals 331 >>> through 341 is a move whose legality cannot be determined with finality. >>> >>> [Aside: one might argue that a "rule change" is different from a >>> "proposed rule change," and Rule 331 refers to the former, but that >>> does not resolve the situation, as 331, 332, 333, and 340 were all >>> adopted and thus became rule changes.] >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >> > -- Steve Gardner Research Grants Development Faculty of Business and Economics Monash University, Caulfield campus Rm: S8.04 | ph: (613) 9905 2486 e: steven.gard...@monash.edu *** NB I am now working 1.0 FTE, but I am away from my desk** on alternate Thursday afternoons (pay weeks). *** Two facts about lists: (1) one can never remember the last item on any list; (2) I can't remember what the other one is.
