On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> > [I think I did the CoE part of this message already, but I'm being very
> > clear here to be sure].
> 
> You cut that _very_ close to a week. And because of an erroneous clock setting
> in Nichdel's computer, quite likely not on the side you intended.

Hell and high water.  I timed it closely out of sheer paranoia, because if
any of the other Proposals of that big batch were CoE'd by anyone else, it
would cause hassles as the proposals we thought were adopted wouldn't have
been yet, which would have been a huge bookkeeping difficulty.

I was very very careful to look at my clock and Nichdel's message as it was
in the archives.  Nichdel's clock being backwards-wrong didn't occur to me.
At all.

I really hope it doesn't matter.  I did CoE here:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-September/036109.html
but I was paranoid (e.g. due to the calling of CFJ 3568) that the first CoE
hadn't been crystal-clear enough.  Hopefully people still find that first
CoE clear enough and it doesn't matter.

(I knew, *knew* something on the clocks would screw up.  I've lost things
like this before because of delivery delays on my side so I always feel
cursed about timing stuff.  But I didn't want to risk anyone screwing up
all those other proposals - stupid).

> Mail headers:
> 
> Nichdel's resolution:
> Received: from mail-io0-f175.google.com (209.85.223.175)
>  by vps.qoid.us with SMTP; 26 Sep 2017 19:45:49 -0000
> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:49:53 -0500
> 
> Your attempted resolution:
> Received: from mxout25.s.uw.edu (140.142.234.175)
>  by vps.qoid.us with SMTP; 3 Oct 2017 19:48:07 -0000
> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> As you can see, dependently on whether you count Date: headers or the time
> when the list server received it, your message was either very shortly before
> 7 days later, or very shortly after.  And given the orderings, nichdel's Date:
> header is probably in error, so it should be after.
> 
> I'm not sure which time Agora counts messages by these days, mind you.  I
> vaguely recall reading that the old "technical domain of control" precedent I
> set had been changed to something else, but not what.
> 
> Now, if you _did_ do your CoE previously, then I don't think this really
> matters.  But if you didn't, the original resolution may have self-ratified,
> and I think it then would no longer be overdue.
> 
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.

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