I think that it is clear that this won't work because 2504, the higher power rule states that your action is INEFFECTIVE. ---- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Alexis Hunt <aler...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As PSS said, the favour award succeeds. There is no requirement that
> fingers be pointed to award favours. That said, this is an enormous abuse
> of official power; V.J. Rada has shown emself unfit to be entrusted with
> the power of an office. Moreover, e deserves to have the profits of this
> scam taken from em.
>
> As e points out, an attainder cannot act fast enough to deny em a win. As
> far as I can tell, there are three ways to defeat eir scam. First, another
> officer authorized to issue favours violates the rules as well, in order to
> award sufficient countervailing favours to prevent V.J. Rada from
> sufficiently disrupting the game state (in particular by amassing balloons
> to gain significant voting power). Second, we could ratify it out of
> existence by proposal.
>
> I have strong distate for ratification, so that is a last resort to me.
> Thus, I think the correct solution here is to have another officer issue
> illegal favours to a number of people, each of whom influences politicians
> sufficiently such that V.J. Rada cannot become an advisor, and agrees not
> to use eir power. Then we pass a proposal absolving the officer of
> responsibility. This, however, requires more officers to break the law,
> which I am also loathe to do.
>
> There is one alternate approach, however, that avoids doing anything
> outright illegal. It is incredibly harsh---I'm using it as a last
> resort---and if we go this route then it should absolutely be undone
> quickly by proposal, but I'm going to set it in motion now so that it can
> be finalized in time to prevent V.J. Rada from winning. If Agora does not
> agree on implementing it, then we can go with the other approach.
>
> First off, an error in the FLR (which I will correct afterward). PSS
> mis-applied the effects of Proposal 7918, so the correct text of Rule 2160
> is as follows:
> {{{
> A rule which purports to allow a person (a deputy) to perform an
> action via normal deputisation or special deputisation for an
> office thereby allows them to perform the action as if e held the
> office, as long as
>
> 1. it would be POSSIBLE for the deputy to perform the action,
> other than by deputisation, if e held the office, and
>
> 2. the deputy, when performing the action, announces that e
> is doing so by the appropriate form of deputisation.
>
> Only this rule may allow normal deputisation. Any rule may allow
> special deputisation.
>
> A player CAN perform an action as if e held a particular office,
> via normal deputisation, if all of the following are true:
>
> 1. The rules require the holder of that office, by virtue of
> holding that office, to perform the action. This requirement is
> fulfilled by the deputy performing the action.
>
> 2. Either (i) A time limit by which the rules require the action
> to be performed has expired or (ii) the office is vacant.
>
> 3. Either (i) the office is vacant; or (ii) the aforementioned
> time limit expired more than fourteen days ago; or (iii) the
> deputy announced between two and fourteen days earlier that e
> intended to deputise for that office for the purposes of the
> particular action.
>
> When a player deputises via normal deputisation for an elected
> office, e becomes the holder of that office.
> }}}
>
> Thus, although the FLR does not indicate this, it is in fact possible to
> deputise for a vacant office before any time limits have expired. I Point
> my Finger at myself, alleging that I violated the rules by sending this
> message (even though I didn't). I deputise for Referee to declare this
> Finger-Pointing to be Shenanigans.
>
> Now that I hold the office of Referee (and preventing it from being
> reclaimed by someone who can abuse it), I issue a Dive Cabinet Order,
> issuing a Black Card to V.J. Rada for betraying the good faith placed in em
> as an officer by Agora. Agora deliberately voted to give officers
> significant, game-disrupting power in maintenance of a complex mechanical
> system, and so this abuse is one of the greatest contempts of the rules
> that can possibly be committed. In particular, V.J. Rada is set to win as a
> result of these violations, which would be horrifically unjust, and a Black
> Card is the only available punishment which will deny em eir victory.
>
> Now, the above may seem IMPOSSIBLE, as Rule 2507 says that Black Cards
> cannot be issued to players. However, it does not contain a claim of
> precedence over other rules in this regard, and Rule 2451 authorizes me to
> award any card to any player, using Dive. Given the lack of relevant
> precedence claims in either rule, by Rule 1030, the rule with the lowest ID
> number prevails. Thus, it is POSSIBLE for me to award a Black Card and the
> precedence clause in Rule 2451 makes it LEGAL for me to do so.
>
> I intend, with Agoran Consent, to Slam the Door on V.J. Rada. As far as I
> can tell, this will prevent em from taking actions defined by rules of
> power 2 or less, including winning the game by Balloons. I don't think it
> affects higher-powered rules, so I am confident e can still vote.
>
> If V.J. Rada is willing to destroy all of eir Favours rather than use them,
> then I will object to and not resolve the above intent, and I will
> personally consider the matter closed.
>
> Proposal: Re-opening the Door (AI=2, pend=shinies)
> {{{
> Amend Rule "2507" by inserting "unless a proposal terminates this effect
> sooner, " after "After the Door is Slammed at a person, ".
>
> Unless V.J. Rada destroyed all favours e owned at the time of this
> proposal's submission, without spending them for any action or game effect:
> Destroy all of V.J. Rada's Favour and Balloons. Set all of V.J. Rada's
> Influence switches to 0. For each Politician whose Advisor is V.J. Rada,
> set eir Advisor to none.
>
> For every player to whom V.J. Rada has transferred a Favour, or in whose
> possession V.J. Rada created a Favour since this proposal was submitted,
> unless that player destroyed those Favours without spending them for any
> action or game effect:
> Destroy all of eir Favour and Balloons. Set all of eir Influence switches
> to 0. For each Politician whose Advisor is that player, set eir Advisor to
> none.
>
> Terminate the effect of the Door being Slammed at V.J. Rada.
> }}}
>
> H. Promotor, I request expedited distribution of this proposal so that we
> can rescind any punishments as soon as possible.
>
> -Alexis
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