I mean it's a problem with the ruleset in general that leads to more mistakes of this nature. Of course each one cam be patched up as it's found.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I don't think it should be too hard. All we have to do is specify that > "If the auctioneer CAN transfer the items in the lot to the winner at > will, e immediately does so; otherwise, e SHALL do so in a timely > fashion." Presuming that Agora can do whatever it wants to do, that > works fine because Rule 2457 states that "A clause in a Contract > purporting to make an entity which is neither the Contract itself nor > a party to the Contract the Auctioneer of an Auction defined by that > Contract is INEFFECTIVE." So we don't have to worry about a contract > making Agora the auctioneer or something. > > -Aris > > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > > > The real difficulty is many of the rules that have "or contract" > > generalizations when describing how things work. It would be so much easier > > if we could just assume all of auctions were transfers-from-agora and write > > some auto transfer-from-agora language, but we have to (all over the place) > > defer to "but if it's a contract it's a different auctioneer" etc... > > > > This means navigating a lot of edge-cases in the rules that are prone to > > error for relatively little benefit (contracts mostly don't do this). > > > > On the last round of Contracts, we did it the other way. Auctions would > > be defined in the Rules for Agora only. Then if a Contract wanted to > > auction, it would write (in the Contract) "This Contract auction works > > just like Agoran auctions, but with this Contract in place of Agora". > > > > Since Contracts were adjudicated by placing weight on intent/equity > > instead of the technicalities of each loophole, this worked pretty well. > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > >> Sigh. I really don't like it when other people are right. I guess that > >> should be in the patches somewhere. > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 14:42 Aris Merchant < > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > But where does it actually say that Agora actually ever makes such a > >> > transfer? > >> > > >> > -Aris > >> > > >> > On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > The Cartographor doesn't make the transfer as the Cartographor is only > >> > the > >> > > Announcer. Agora, the auctioneer, is authorized the make the transfer. > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 14:00 Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> However, (and this is the third time I've asked) can anyone point me > >> > >> to > >> > >> where it says in the rules that the cartographer actually CAN make a > >> > >> transfer of land from Agora to a land auction winner? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > >> > I don't consider 1 auctions/5 auctions to be a patch. It works as > >> > >> > is, > >> > >> > but some people want it a different way (never mind that includes > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > original author). As it's controversial, please leave it on its > >> > >> > own. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > >> > >> > > Okay, I'm going to write up a patch proposal. I'll take any > >> > reasonably > >> > >> > > uncontroversial patches, whether in typed up form or just with a > >> > >> > > description of the problem and a link to any previous discussion. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Things I'm aware of: > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > - Treasuror is undefined > >> > >> > > - Welcome packages are undefined > >> > >> > > - The 1 auction/5 auctions problem > >> > >> > > - The thing where you can transfer things into a facility from > >> > >> everywhere > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > If I've missed anything, or you disagree with any of these, please > >> > let > >> > >> me know. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > -Aris > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >
