Re: [attn G.] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 3/1/2020 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> On 3/1/2020 7:54 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> I thought about that possibility, because R2160 includes this
>>> provision, which seems to prevent any deputisation where other rules
>>> of any power prohibit the same action from the officeholder:
>>>       2. it would be POSSIBLE for the deputy to perform the action,
>>>          other than by deputisation, if e held the office;
>>> That is why I included the second portion from R103, which sets the
>>> limitations on R2472. For this reason, I think it really comes down to
>>> two questions: (1) how the second list item in R2160 is interpreted
>>> with regards to lower-powered restrictions, and (2) how the exception
>>> to R2160 in R103 is interpreted with regards to your message.
>>
>> Hmm, this does sound plausible. The most recent precedent is CFJ 3688,
>> in which G. wrote:
>>
>>> I accept the Caller's arguments that e was Prime Minister at the time of
>>> eir attempted action, and thus generally able to issue Cabinet Orders, as
>>> there is game consensus and past practice that implies that e became PM
>>> successfully.
>>
>> (https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg33078.html)
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't know what "game consensus and past practice" e
>> was referring to, and e didn't cite any other CFJs by number. So we may
>> need eir help to figure it out.
> 
> It means that someone tried it (I wasn't the first I don't think) and
> there was some discussion and everyone involved agreed it worked and
> no-one offered any counterarguments worthy of a CFJ.  And it was tried a
> time or two after that before CFJ 3688 with same results.  I'll see if I
> can find the first time it happened (2017-ish IIRC) but if someone has a
> cogent CFJ that can always overrule.

Followup:  it doesn't matter anyway, because the limiting language in R103
was added just recently (P8340, February 2020) so this legislative direct
fix supersedes CFJ 3688 or anything before it.

-G.