On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote:
> > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
> > <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 5/19/23 16:16, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote:
> > > I consent to all rice plans that have my player in the Rice Up
> > list and do
> > > not have my player in the Rice Down list. I also consent to all
> > rice plans
> > > that have no players in the Rice Up list and I am not in the
> > Rice Down list.
> > >
> > > (Consent is different than intent, so this is forward looking,
> > so I have
> > > now played the rice game for as long as I am active.)
> > >
> >
> > I don't think this can provide consent for rice plans that do not
> > yet exist.
> >
> > --
> > Janet Cobb
> >
> > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> >
> >
> > I'd argue that I fit criteria 4 of Rule 2519 ("Consent"):
> > "4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to
> > take place or assented to it taking place."
> > --
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>
> Actually, let's take a step back.
>
> The text of the rule "The Rice Game", as enacted:
>
> > The Ricemastor is an office, in charge of tracking Rice, Rice Plans and
> > Signatures. Rice is a fixed asset, ownable only by players. Any active
> > player can create a Rice Plan by announcement, if e hasn't done so yet in
> > the current week. Rice Plans can have Signatures, and each Signature must
> > be of an active player. A Rice Plan has an active player's Signature as
> > long as that player is consenting to it. An active player can destroy a
> > Rice Plan that e has created by announcement.
> >
> > A Harvest occurs at the beginning of each week. When this occurs:
> > - If there is only one Rice Plan with the most Signatures, that Rice Plan
> > is Harvested.
> > - If there is more than one Rice Plan with the most Signatures, the one
> > that was created earliest is Harvested.
> > - In all other cases, nothing happens.
> > And then all Rice Plans are destroyed and the Harvest ends.
> >
> > Rice Plans consist of two lists of players, with each list having no
> > repeated players, and the lists can be empty. One of these lists is its
> > Rice Up list, and the other is its Rice Down list. When a Rice Plan is
> > Harvested, for each player listed in its Rice Up list, if that player is
> > active, e gains 1 Rice; and for each player listed in its Rice Down list,
> > if e has at least 1 Rice then e lose 1 Rice.
> >
> > If after a Harvest there is a single active player with at least 2 Rice
> and
> > more Rice than any other player, then that player wins the game, and all
> > Rice is destroyed. When the game has been won in this manner three times,
> > this rule repeals itself.
>
>
> Consent at Power 3 is defined only for actions. What "action" is consent
> being evaluated for? Certainly not the creation of the rice plan itself.
>
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Rule 2519/2 (Power=3)
> > Consent
> >
> > A person is deemed to have consented to an action if and only if,
> > at the time the action took place:
> >
> > 1. e, acting as emself, has publicly stated that e agrees to the
> > action and not subsequently publicly withdrawn eir statement;
> > 2. e is party to a contract whose body explicitly and
> > unambiguously indicates eir consent;
> > 3. the action is taken as part of a promise which e created; or
> > 4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to
> > take place or assented to it taking place.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> Janet Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>
So, if there is no action, then consent just takes on the regular
meaning.... Thus, you can consent to rice plans non-publicly, which
seems... troublesome....
Maybe, hopefully, the "regular meaning" is just the meaning presented in
the rules.
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