On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 2:04 PM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> 4st nomic via agora-discussion [2023-06-26 10:33]: > > As herald, I have ultimate control over this process. If someone's > > judgement is "preventative", then hopefully, that will be apparent from > > their response, and I can respond with a nomination anyways. > > That is a terrible solution. I'd argue is even more of a problem. And > despite having control over the process, it is not the Herald's place > to determine the criteria. > > > A specified degree CAN be awarded by any player other than the > > awardee, with 2 Agoran consent. It SHOULD only be awarded for the > > publication of an original thesis of scholarly worth (including > > responses to peer-review), published with explicit intent to > > qualify for a degree. The Herald SHOULD coordinate the peer-review > > process and the awarding of degrees. > > The Herald is not even vested with any power. The only distinction > between your office and every other player is that you have a positive > encouragement to be proactive in *coordinating* peer-review. > > It is not up to the Herald to determine criteria for aproval. The rules > already do it. And they demand “scholarly worth”, which can only be > determined with plenty of time for analysis, congruent with the text's > length and complexity. > > In any case, if the thesis *can't* be evaluated in a week, the default > should be to throw it out for being badly written, not accepting it. > > > Thesises have not be rewarded in a long time, nor really even *attempted* > > to, and I find this to be wrong. In an effort to make the game easier and > > more approachable, I am planning to err on the side of the submitter. > > This is not reasonable. If you want to make it easier, put work into > designing easier criteria. That is a legislative prerogative. Besides, if > thesis are not attempted, I guarantee you can think of better strategies > for encouraging it. > > For peer-review, quality should be above anything else. Otherwise, > it is irrelevant and performative. > > -- > juan > (I have something I ask of all players after this) To respond to Juan: With regard to quality: This was considered a B of Nomic: https://agoranomic.org/Herald/theses/html/1995-XX-XX-elJefe.html I am pushing back because standards have significantly increased, considering the fact that this *is* (supposed to be) a game. Note it's length and lack of sources. Compare with https://agoranomic.org/Herald/theses/html/2017-05-23-G..html https://agoranomic.org/Herald/theses/html/2017-11-17-Alexis.html Note their length and detail, and lack of sources. Both earned an A of nomic. Now compare with: https://agoranomic.org/Herald/theses/html/2020-01-27-Aspen.html and "Untitled Set of Three Images" (https://agoranomic.org/Herald/theses/) which both earned an A of Nomic Art. There is no standard here, or if there is, it should be set lower once again: this is a game, theses should be encouraged, and it's wild across the board. I'm sure there's a thesis waiting on the standards of theses. Finally, as a game, this IS performative. This isn't some official institution granting actual degrees. Agora is not accredited. To all players: This is why I'm pushing back on the standards: I don't see anything that mentions what qualifies something for Associate, but I would like help identifying what I could do to make it easier. What language would you like to see in the rules? What would make you, personally, attempt a thesis? (My goal is that every player participates in this Agoran pastime.) -- 4ˢᵗ Deputy Herald and Deputy Prime Minister Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
