snail wrote:
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 6:03 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
On 3/10/24 19:01, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote:
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
wrote:
If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no
one else gained as many, then:
* Only Kate's vote counted on any proposal resolved after 230.
* Only Kate's support counted on any tabled action resolved after
230.
which should have been enough for eir dictatorship to become
effective.
What was quorum? If it ever got low enough for that to work, then there
is something badly broken with the quorum rules and we need to revise
them.
--
ais523
from Rule 2481 (Festival Restrictions) Power 3.1:
{
While Agora's Festivity is nonzero, the following apply:
....
2. Quorum for Agoran Decisions is equal to half the number of
Festive players, rounded up;
}
Quorum was 1 if Festivity was 5, since Kate would be the only Festive
player. Except!
Rule 879/40 (Power=3)
Quorum
Each Agoran decision has a quorum. This is a number set when the
decision is created, and thereafter cannot be changed. When a
person initiates an Agoran decision, that person SHALL state the
quorum of that decision. However, incorrectly stating the quorum
of a decision does not invalidate the initiation, nor does it
actually change the quorum of the decision.
The quorum that an Agoran decision gains as it is created can be
defined by other rules of power 2 or greater. If no other rule
defines the quorum of an Agoran decision, the quorum for that
decision is equal to 2/3 of the number of voters on the referendum
that had been most recently resolved at the time of that
decision's initiation, the whole rounded to the nearest integer.
As an exception to the previous paragraph, the minimum quorum of
an Agoran decision is 2, or 1 if there are fewer than 2 players in
the game. If the rules would attempt to set the quorum of an
Agoran decision to less than the minimum quorum, it is set to the
minimum instead.
It seems like because of Rule 879, Rule 2481 attempts to set quorum as 1,
but then it is set to 2 instead. This means if festivity was 5, all
distributions initiated would fail quorum.
Incidentally, no, because R2481 takes precedence over R879.
--
snail
A voter is voting strength 0 still counts for quorum purposes.
--
Janet Cobb
Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Oh. Well that's silly, scammable, and we should probably change it. Players
"voting" but having no effect on the decisions besides quorum doesn't
really seem right. In real agora this could lead to just 1 person having a
say whether a proposal passes or fails.
Except:
a) If there are fewer than 5 Festive players, any player CAN flip
Festivity to 0 by announcement (R2480). Kate's scam depended on eir
opponents not noticing the Festival until after eir dictatorship
was already in place.
b) As (I think) Kate pointed out when the scam was first revealed,
in real Agora there are several high-Laudability players, so a
Festivity scam would require buying off enough of them (or somehow
tampering with Laudability). Kate's scam also depended on this not
being the case in Agoran't.
