Ken would love to hear more of your ideas. Can you elaborate?...
Smiles,
CQ
At 04:05 AM 12/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Sounds awesome and not too terribly hard to make. You could also use it
as a secondary exploration tool outside of AQ.
Ken Downey
President
DreamTechInteractive!
And,
Coming soon,
Blind Comfort!
The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring.
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Hi All, happy Saturday! Well, I have a few more thoughts on my
earlier post.
First of all, I realized after I sent that along, that the bsp file
created with the system I mentioned must be compiled and run on the fly,
with the game constantly restarting with the new .bsp file, which though
doable, would be tedious / time consuming in the long run, so I'm opting
for another solution unless someone has any ideas or suggestions that
will work with my last idea.
I'm thinking now, of simply creating an editor from scratch perhaps in
visual basic or C++ or some such, which would incorporate some of my
earlier ideas, and work in a grid style and still have the player's
vantage point in simulation. In other words, the player would be able
to look left or right / up or down and be told what is there, I.E. a
wall, a door, open space, etc. The rest of the map creation could go
along as I'd mention last night, with the player being able to add
sections of hallway in essence to create rooms and halls etc...
The resulting file could be saved as a .map file and then compiled
with a current utility package for such...
What do you all think?...
Oh, btw, my apologies, but in case anyone had trouble finding either of
those files I'd mentioned last night, they're in the editors
folder... :) Sorry about that!...
Anyway, have a wonderful Saturday! and talk with y'all soon!...
Smiles and Happiest of Holidays!!!
Cara
At 04:51 AM 12/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Ken et al'
Ken can you send along that info again? Thanks so much.
Now, as for my earlier post on map editing, I've uploaded a utility
to decompile a Quake 1 2 or 3 bsp into a .map file.
What this means is that you can now create a text file of a map's
structures (I.E. walls and such) and entities which you can then edit /
compile into a Quake map. So, in other words, this is a first very
simple step in creating one's own maps, either from scratch or based
off of others.
For those interested, there are two files at:
http://tbrn.net/modgirl
-that you may want to download. The first is Qmapspec.zip which is
an html file which goes over all of the map specs which go into a Quake
map. and the second file is WinBspC.exe which is the file which can
convert the bsp file into a .map file.
At this point, I haven't worked with creating the .bsp file from the
map file, but I'll let you know when I do. I'll also see which
compiler / creation tool might be the easiest.
Please be aware, that some map authors DO NOT want their maps
decompiled, so please please please don't use this utility to go
against their wishes. Thanks so much...
Now, as for a map editor, I have some ideas that I'd like to throw
out here as I'd love some feedback on them.
First, I'm thinking that a simple editor might actually be able to be
coded from within Quake C, with only a small bit of coding from within
the pearl of the AQ mod and the C of the zQuake engine itself. In
other words, one could create a map from within the game as it were,
and place walls and objects and such relative to their position as they
moved, much like the position mod does now. The output could (rather
than be written to the console) be written to another file which could
become a .map file and then be converted into a bsp file.
Second, one way of doing this, could be to allow for the creation of
predefined sections of hallway as it were, as the player moves in three
dimensions. In other words, one could set a certain amount of height,
(let's say 100 units) which would then be used for each face of the
hallway. I.E. the floor would be 100 units wide and long, the walls
would both be 100 units high and long, and the ceiling would also then
be 100 units wide and long. This would be placed around the player,
and then as they move ahead, another 100 unit section of hallway could
be placed to join the last one, and so on until the player has created
a hallway.
In order to create a large room, then, the player could simply adjust
the amount of units to work with, to say, 500 and then you'd instantly
have a room at the end of your hallway. Of course, the program itself
would be responsible for joining the edges of the walls and such, but
that's easily done providing the math is relatively easy, which it
would be, as it would be managed by the code itself. Does this make sense?
One could then rather easily have a number of other predefined
options in place as well, to choose from, such as terminating the
hallway with a plain wall, a wall with a door in it, just a door, or
nothing at all, as in the above, where they'd go on to add more hallway
or a room or such.
For a starting point, there could be a simple large non descript map
template of sorts to begin with and the player could go from there.
What do people think of this idea?
I don't think this would really be all that difficult to code,
however, I myself, don't have the knowledge of the engine to do this at
present, and also don't know exactly how the info that is spoken from
the console is output, so I'd need to know more about this first,
before I could think of starting to code this. :) I'm wondering if
anyone might want to help out with this sort of thing?...
I'm assuming this will take some knowledge of C / QC / pearl to
accomplish, with the way AQ is coded now. I think it makes sense to
use the game's own interface to work with this, don't you?
Anyway, any thoughts anyone might have on this would definitely be
appreciated. Thanks so much for reading, and have a great weekend!!!...
Smiles,
Cara
At 04:26 AM 12/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:
I looked for this extensively, and have never found mention of binding
numpad keys. See my earlier posts about the keychanger function I
developed though and you won't need those extra keys--the shift key
changes the function of every other key you want it too. If you
haven't read or can't find that post, let me know and I'll post it again.
Ken Downey
President
DreamTechInteractive!
And,
Coming soon,
Blind Comfort!
The pleasant way to get a massage--no staring, just caring.
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Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: [AGRIP-discuss] binding the num pad keys
Can someone PLEASE tell me if there's a way to bind the number keys on
the right side of the desktop keyboard to Quake functions, such as
turning and so on? If it's not possible, someone who knows can tell
me this and I'll finally shut up about it. *grin*
Thanks
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I find what you've achieved so far with QuArK to be fantastic! I am
still working to open the project up as much as I can in it's current
state so that people can make their own builds of it, but I have had
plans for some time to make an accessible map editor. This ties in with
the rest of my research, so should happen in the next year or two.
best regards,
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