I think instead of showing sympathy here Delhi based organizations and
activists must come forward and help this lady.

On 7/28/17, Sandeep Singh via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> That is taking it too far, I am afraid. Guess time to stop the discussion.
>
> On 7/28/17, Namita Agarwal via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
> wrote:
>> hi agree with Preeti
>> who knows the truth none of us, and contemplating with the facts, is of no
>> use
>> the one who suffers in this is the eight year old child.
>> it is better the disabled keep a clean picture so that they do not
>> close doors for others.
>> maintain distance with opposite sex and if really interested have a
>> legal marriage and then go for it.
>>
>> On 7/27/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>>> courts are not biased, our laws are biased. if a man wrongly forced to
>>> the
>>> legal matter against a female, specially family matters, domestic
>>> violence,
>>> or relationship matters, it is presumed that male is rakshas and the
>>> female
>>> is devi.
>>> turn this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a woman can siduce a
>>> man
>>> for sex or not. if it is, who would be the victim man or woman. there are
>>> many cases specially in corporate environment where the male employees
>>> are
>>> facing false charges and departmental enquiries of seduction.
>>> unfortunately, in IPC it is presumed that only man can seduce a woman.
>>> the
>>> laws are to be amended as per the rules of equality. can a male lodge an
>>> FIR
>>> against a female related to seduction? if it is so, please let me know
>>> the
>>> relevant section of IPC.
>>> in my opinion, the word male and female should be replaced with a person
>>> and
>>> the word husband and wife should be replaced with a word "spouse"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:52 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>> Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>> Well put Swati,
>>>
>>> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
>>> article.
>>>
>>> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
>>> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
>>> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
>>> biased against men?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
>>> swati saxena via Ai
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>> Cc: swati saxena <swatisaxena...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>> HI All,
>>>
>>> Directly quoting from the article below lines.
>>> "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."
>>>
>>> It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
>>> on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
>>> sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
>>> states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
>>> pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
>>> impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.
>>>
>>> Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
>>> article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
>>> not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
>>> in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
>>> instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
>>> happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
>>> did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
>>> the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
>>> first instance.
>>>
>>> Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
>>> biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
>>> relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
>>> unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
>>> vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
>>> the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
>>> women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
>>> to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
>>> live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
>>> roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Swati Saxena
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
>>>> never heard such a harsh punishment of 10 years, & in this case the
>>>> sexual relation had been between two person consent here we should use
>>>> the word cheating instead of rape,
>>>>
>>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
>>>>> relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
>>>>> can this be even called rape is the question.
>>>>> @Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
>>>>> door of court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that this
>>>>> can further de-motivate men to have sexual relationship with women,
>>>>> even if the women are consenting to do so.
>>>>> Who would want to get into troubles like this,  even after having done
>>>>> sex with consent of the woman afterall.
>>>>> The judgement would strengthen the opinion that blind women are not
>>>>> quite  sexual being, which is already a prevalent  belief  in the
>>>>> society.
>>>>> This is truly illogical and one-sided in my opinion.
>>>>> Unfortunate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Prateek agarwal.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The surviver in the under discussion order is a widow; this fact and
>>>>>> her precarious circumstance may have led the judge to pronounce such a
>>>>>> harsh punishment. He however can approach the higher judiciary.  As a
>>>>>> silver lining, There are very few blind women who knock the door of
>>>>>> the courts when their bodily integrity is violated. This particular
>>>>>> order should deter blind men in particular to not take blind women for
>>>>>> granted and for a ride.
>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Arjun Malhotra via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Wasn't there a Supreme Court Judgment recently on educated women and
>>>>>>> promise of marriage. Why not apply that yardstick in this case as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Rahul Kelapure via Ai
>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Agree with Prateek. Here I also see a strainge attitude of the Judge
>>>>>>>> to justify high punishment to the convict as the girl is blind and
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> took advantage of her helplessness as she was blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While techniclly it could be rape but how many would Court award 10
>>>>>>>> years riggerous jail for this kind of matter in so called normal
>>>>>>>> cases?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think, Judge has gone overboard while pronouncing the sentence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is like two extreme sides of attitude for disabled where on one
>>>>>>>> hand they will have extremely symphethy or they will have abselute
>>>>>>>> indiference or hatred for disabled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If She was so clear that, she would want to have sex only after
>>>>>>>> marage
>>>>>>>> then first marry and then do whatever. There are many matters where
>>>>>>>> everything is consensual but when things do not go as per the
>>>>>>>> expectation, slap with rape charges.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Strainge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am sure, this will not stand the scrutiny in the higher court. I
>>>>>>>> don't know how well the defence fought the matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai
>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india,
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual relationships
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
>>>>>>>>> As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this be
>>>>>>>>> even called rape on the first place?
>>>>>>>>> Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and   on
>>>>>>>>> that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but things
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not
>>>>>>>>> marry
>>>>>>>>> other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the sex
>>>>>>>>> happened with the consent of girl.
>>>>>>>>> Promises like these are not documented here in india.
>>>>>>>>> Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss used by
>>>>>>>>> females, like it has been in this context. This is unfortunate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Prateek agarwal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Ajay Minocha via Ai
>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A very welcome judgement!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai
>>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-10-year-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 years rigorous
>>>>>>>>>>> imprisonment to a blind man, a trainee probationary officer at a
>>>>>>>>>>> public sector bank, who was found guilty of raping a 33-year-old
>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>> widow repeatedly on the pretext of marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The court also imposed a penalty on convict Saurabh Kapoor, 35,
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> was convicted of rape under Section 376 of the IPC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Sessions Judge Rajni Yadav, while pronouncing the
>>>>>>>>>>> quantum
>>>>>>>>>>> of sentence, said that given the inhumanity of the act, it was
>>>>>>>>>>> required to impose upon the convict substantive and stern
>>>>>>>>>>> sentence
>>>>>>>>>>> that would commensurate with the gravity of the offence and also
>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>> as an example to others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is to be noted that since both the victim and the accused were
>>>>>>>>>>> blind, the court had relied upon ‘voice identification’ that
>>>>>>>>>>> helped
>>>>>>>>>>> the woman to identify Kapoor, a resident of Mayur Vihar in Delhi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the
>>>>>>>>>>> victim
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The victim, who has an eight-year-old daughter, worked in a
>>>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>>>> company in 2015, when the incident happened. She is currently
>>>>>>>>>>> unemployed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Public prosecutor Arvind Sharma said that the convict tried to
>>>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>>>> leniency from the court on account of his blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “The accused also argued that he is a government servant and
>>>>>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>>>> qualified, but all these arguments were rejected by the court,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> awarded him 10 years of imprisonment,” said Sharma, adding that
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> court has imposed a penalty of Rs 10,000, out of which Rs 8,000
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> go to the victim. The remaining Rs 2000 would go to the state. If
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> accused fail to pay the fine, he will face one more year of
>>>>>>>>>>> imprisonment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The judge, in her order, also stated that undue sympathy to
>>>>>>>>>>> impose
>>>>>>>>>>> inadequate sentence to the accused would do more harm as it will
>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the public confidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “Keeping in view the offence committed by the convict, I am not
>>>>>>>>>>> inclined to take a lenient view against him and release him on
>>>>>>>>>>> probation. He has raped a young woman who was helpless,
>>>>>>>>>>> defenceless,
>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerable and an easy prey who trusted the convict so much that
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>> surrendered herself to him. He used, violated and exploited her
>>>>>>>>>>> body,”
>>>>>>>>>>> the court said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> District attorney Lal Singh Yadav said the court has given a
>>>>>>>>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>>> message to the society. “The convict had sexually exploited the
>>>>>>>>>>> victim
>>>>>>>>>>> on the pretext of marriage,” he said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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