oops not Rahul minar will send his number to you

On 7/28/17, Namita Agarwal <namitaagarwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rahul you should talk to charudata jadav who is accessibility head and
> a VI at tcs
> stay calm, it goes by rules and has the same rule for sighted person
>  will send his number
>
>
> On 7/28/17, akshun mahajan via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
> wrote:
>> I think instead of showing sympathy here Delhi based organizations and
>> activists must come forward and help this lady.
>>
>> On 7/28/17, Sandeep Singh via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>> wrote:
>>> That is taking it too far, I am afraid. Guess time to stop the
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/17, Namita Agarwal via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>> hi agree with Preeti
>>>> who knows the truth none of us, and contemplating with the facts, is of
>>>> no
>>>> use
>>>> the one who suffers in this is the eight year old child.
>>>> it is better the disabled keep a clean picture so that they do not
>>>> close doors for others.
>>>> maintain distance with opposite sex and if really interested have a
>>>> legal marriage and then go for it.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>>>>> courts are not biased, our laws are biased. if a man wrongly forced to
>>>>> the
>>>>> legal matter against a female, specially family matters, domestic
>>>>> violence,
>>>>> or relationship matters, it is presumed that male is rakshas and the
>>>>> female
>>>>> is devi.
>>>>> turn this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a woman can siduce
>>>>> a
>>>>> man
>>>>> for sex or not. if it is, who would be the victim man or woman. there
>>>>> are
>>>>> many cases specially in corporate environment where the male employees
>>>>> are
>>>>> facing false charges and departmental enquiries of seduction.
>>>>> unfortunately, in IPC it is presumed that only man can seduce a woman.
>>>>> the
>>>>> laws are to be amended as per the rules of equality. can a male lodge
>>>>> an
>>>>> FIR
>>>>> against a female related to seduction? if it is so, please let me know
>>>>> the
>>>>> relevant section of IPC.
>>>>> in my opinion, the word male and female should be replaced with a
>>>>> person
>>>>> and
>>>>> the word husband and wife should be replaced with a word "spouse"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:52 PM
>>>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>>>> Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>>>
>>>>> Well put Swati,
>>>>>
>>>>> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in
>>>>> the
>>>>> article.
>>>>>
>>>>> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from
>>>>> such
>>>>> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not.
>>>>> How
>>>>> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been
>>>>> unnecessarily
>>>>> biased against men?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> swati saxena via Ai
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
>>>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>> Cc: swati saxena <swatisaxena...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>>>
>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Directly quoting from the article below lines.
>>>>> "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
>>>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
>>>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."
>>>>>
>>>>> It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
>>>>> on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
>>>>> sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
>>>>> states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
>>>>> pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
>>>>> impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.
>>>>>
>>>>> Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
>>>>> article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
>>>>> not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
>>>>> in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
>>>>> instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
>>>>> happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
>>>>> did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
>>>>> the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
>>>>> first instance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
>>>>> biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
>>>>> relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
>>>>> unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
>>>>> vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
>>>>> the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
>>>>> women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
>>>>> to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
>>>>> live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
>>>>> roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Swati Saxena
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai
>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
>>>>>> never heard such a harsh punishment of 10 years, & in this case the
>>>>>> sexual relation had been between two person consent here we should
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the word cheating instead of rape,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai
>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
>>>>>>> relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
>>>>>>> can this be even called rape is the question.
>>>>>>> @Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
>>>>>>> door of court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> can further de-motivate men to have sexual relationship with women,
>>>>>>> even if the women are consenting to do so.
>>>>>>> Who would want to get into troubles like this,  even after having
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> sex with consent of the woman afterall.
>>>>>>> The judgement would strengthen the opinion that blind women are not
>>>>>>> quite  sexual being, which is already a prevalent  belief  in the
>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>> This is truly illogical and one-sided in my opinion.
>>>>>>> Unfortunate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Prateek agarwal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai
>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The surviver in the under discussion order is a widow; this fact
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> her precarious circumstance may have led the judge to pronounce
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> harsh punishment. He however can approach the higher judiciary.  As
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> silver lining, There are very few blind women who knock the door of
>>>>>>>> the courts when their bodily integrity is violated. This particular
>>>>>>>> order should deter blind men in particular to not take blind women
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> granted and for a ride.
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Arjun Malhotra via Ai
>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't there a Supreme Court Judgment recently on educated women
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> promise of marriage. Why not apply that yardstick in this case as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Rahul Kelapure via Ai
>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Prateek. Here I also see a strainge attitude of the
>>>>>>>>>> Judge
>>>>>>>>>> to justify high punishment to the convict as the girl is blind
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> took advantage of her helplessness as she was blind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While techniclly it could be rape but how many would Court award
>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>>> years riggerous jail for this kind of matter in so called normal
>>>>>>>>>> cases?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think, Judge has gone overboard while pronouncing the sentence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is like two extreme sides of attitude for disabled where on
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> hand they will have extremely symphethy or they will have
>>>>>>>>>> abselute
>>>>>>>>>> indiference or hatred for disabled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If She was so clear that, she would want to have sex only after
>>>>>>>>>> marage
>>>>>>>>>> then first marry and then do whatever. There are many matters
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> everything is consensual but when things do not go as per the
>>>>>>>>>> expectation, slap with rape charges.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Strainge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am sure, this will not stand the scrutiny in the higher court.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> don't know how well the defence fought the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai
>>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india,
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual
>>>>>>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
>>>>>>>>>>> As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> even called rape on the first place?
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>> happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not
>>>>>>>>>>> marry
>>>>>>>>>>> other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the sex
>>>>>>>>>>> happened with the consent of girl.
>>>>>>>>>>> Promises like these are not documented here in india.
>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss used
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> females, like it has been in this context. This is unfortunate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Prateek agarwal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, Ajay Minocha via Ai
>>>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A very welcome judgement!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-10-year-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 years rigorous
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imprisonment to a blind man, a trainee probationary officer at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> public sector bank, who was found guilty of raping a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33-year-old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> widow repeatedly on the pretext of marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court also imposed a penalty on convict Saurabh Kapoor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was convicted of rape under Section 376 of the IPC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Sessions Judge Rajni Yadav, while pronouncing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of sentence, said that given the inhumanity of the act, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to impose upon the convict substantive and stern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would commensurate with the gravity of the offence and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an example to others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is to be noted that since both the victim and the accused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind, the court had relied upon ‘voice identification’ that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the woman to identify Kapoor, a resident of Mayur Vihar in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delhi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> victim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising
>>>>>>>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The victim, who has an eight-year-old daughter, worked in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> private
>>>>>>>>>>>>> company in 2015, when the incident happened. She is currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unemployed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Public prosecutor Arvind Sharma said that the convict tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leniency from the court on account of his blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The accused also argued that he is a government servant and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified, but all these arguments were rejected by the court,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> awarded him 10 years of imprisonment,” said Sharma, adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> court has imposed a penalty of Rs 10,000, out of which Rs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to the victim. The remaining Rs 2000 would go to the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accused fail to pay the fine, he will face one more year of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imprisonment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The judge, in her order, also stated that undue sympathy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inadequate sentence to the accused would do more harm as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the public confidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Keeping in view the offence committed by the convict, I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclined to take a lenient view against him and release him on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> probation. He has raped a young woman who was helpless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> defenceless,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerable and an easy prey who trusted the convict so much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrendered herself to him. He used, violated and exploited
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> body,”
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the court said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> District attorney Lal Singh Yadav said the court has given a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message to the society. “The convict had sexually exploited
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> victim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the pretext of marriage,” he said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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