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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 17 09:06:28 +0000 2008 ------- > Opened: Sat May 11 19:59:00 +0000 2002 > ------- Additional comments from matthiasbasler > Sun Nov 16 13:10:43 +0000 2008 ------- > Being the original reporter I feel like I should respond to the > recent comments as well: Thanks to matthiasbasler for following this issue with such great patience. > just one out of three examples, so please don't reduce the issue to > just the "Alt+..." part. +1 to that plea. > 2. tommy27 wrote > >> people who do not need Alt+soemthing hotkey could easily leave >> those unassigned. > > Exactly. Nobody would be hurt. +1 > I might add that probably most users only work with OOo under one OS > only and therefore wouldn't even notice that the shortcut > possibilities might be different on different OS. +1 On this point: by coincidence at the weekend I took an unbiased colleague from Plone community with me to irc://irc.freenode.net/#dev.openoffice.org and quizzed him for responses to scenarios in which shortcut keys might not behave as expected if ever he found himself using OOo on a platform other than his preferred Linux. >From this person: there were no cries of displeasure, which (to me) supports the multi-platform *user* observation made by matthiasbasler. However: focusing on the multi-platform *application* there is a critical observation: >> tables being wrecked in OOo -- and with such wreckage in mind (without any argument over recent points in this issue 4756, and without detracting votes from this issue) I refer readers to issue 96184 where -- on Mac OS X -- certain shortcuts historically associated with tables _MUST NOT_ manipulate tables. With all due respect I suggest that developers should visualise some balance between: a) the time and effort required to generally improve the keyboard-related _options_ in OOo _without regard to platform_ b) the time and effort required to more urgently address _conflicts_ in which a traditional shortcut on a particular platform is found to have a confusing or (worse) destructive effect on another platform. Issue 96184 is just one example of a destructive issue. As use of OOo 3 spreads (we should welcome this spread) so I suspect that other destructive issues may be found. Already, as Erik draws attention to the quoted text concerning accented characters, I realise that I _always_ use alt key combined with _a wide variety of letters on the keyboard_ to produce é è and _a wide variety of other on-screen characters_ that are not keyboard-standard in my locale. Such conflicts may prove to be non-destructive (I have not experimented, I should do) but in any case we should: i) be prepared for further reports of such conflicts (I should not be surprised to discover current and future tickets that Bugzilla organisers may wish to treat as duplicates of this one) and ii) be prepared to deal gracefully with complaints -- respect each other's wishes and requirements. > ------- Additional comments from erikanderson3 > Sun Nov 16 23:36:08 +0000 2008 ------- > Restricting OOo shortcut options, though simpler to develop, does > not strike me as a particularly user-friendly approach. Just my > $0.02. -- and in issue 96184 -- where a very common shortcut that's intended for system-wide simple selection of words is found to have destructive effect in OOo -- even when I aim to manipulate OOo configuration files at file system level, I find no way of removing the offending shortcut. (I assume that OOo mod2 is 'alt' on Mac as OOo mod2 is 'alt' on other platforms, yes?) Incidentally, I did wonder whether 'destructive' is too strong a word but all things considered I think it is fair. For someone like me who copy types and uses the tab key and other keys within tables _without looking at the screen_, it is truly destructive to find (when one does look at the screen) that OOo has wrecked a previously good table. There are undo commands, true, but it feels very bad. Just my twopenneth. To close my comment, with a focus on the summary lines of issues > Expand shortcut possibilities (Use of <Alt> key is not offered) -- this issue 4756 may be related to expansion of OOo _options_ -- my issue 96184 involves _conflicts_ without options, for which workarounds (if any) may be terribly obscure. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
