On 28/04/2021 17:48, Brian Goetz wrote:
The set of patterns { Box(Soup) } is considered total on Box<Lunch> _with remainder { null, Box(null), Box(novel) } _.

The pattern Box(Soup) on its own is total on Box<Soup> (as opposed to Box<Lunch>), with remainder { null }; we'll still NPE if the Box itself is null.

The intuition here is that Lunch is still a more abstract type than Soup, even if the implementation says "only soup here".  We know that this assumption could be violated before we get to runtime.

I think I get this - but I guess this implies that, in my previous example:


Foo x = ...
if (x instanceof Bar)

The instanceof will not be considered total, and therefore be accepted by the compiler (sorry to repeat the same question - I want to make sure I understand how totality works with sealed hierarchies).

If that's the case, I find that a bit odd - because enums kind of have the same issue (but we have opted to trust that a switch on an enum is total if all the constants known at compile time are covered) - and, to my eyes, if you squint, a sealed hierarchy is like an enum for types (e.g. sum type).

That said, I think this discussion kind of demonstrates that reasoning about totality is not that straightforward; I believe you can see why I jumped to the conclusion that Box<Soup> must have been total on Box<Lunch> (if Soup was the only permitted concrete subtype of Lunch) - but it turned out I was barking up the wrong tree. This is surely caused, in part, by the fact that I'm less immersed in pattern-land (e.g. more an interested follower at a distance); but I think it also reflects some genuine complexity when it comes to reasoning about totality.

Anyway, backing up - this below:

```

switch (lunch) {
        case Box(Soup s):
              System.err.println("Box of soup");
              break;

        case Bag(Soup s):
             System.err.println("Bag of soup");
             break;

        /* implicit */
        case Box(null), Bag(null): throw new NPE();
    }
```

is good code, which says what it means. I think the challenge will be to present error messages (e.g. if the user forgot to add case Box(null)) in a way that makes it clear to the user as to what's missing; and maybe that will be enough.

Maurizio


A normalizing force here is we want the same thing at top level and nested level.  If i have:

    Lunch lunch = ...
    switch(lunch) {
        case Soup s:
    }

I should expect the same null treatment as I do in the lifted case:

    Box<Lunch> box = ...
    switch (box) {
        case Box(Soup s): ...
    }

Which we get!  In the first case, the _single pattern_ Soup is not individually total on Lunch (Lunch is more abstract), but the _set of patterns_ { Soup } is total on Lunch with remainder { null, novel subtype of Lunch }, due to sealing, so we are able to conclude the switch itself is exhaustive (with some remainder rejected.)   When we lift, we get totality with remainder of { Box(null), Box(novel) }, plus also { null } because of the lifting.





On 4/28/2021 12:33 PM, Maurizio Cimadamore wrote:

On 28/04/2021 17:29, Brian Goetz wrote:
I assume that you are saying Box permits Soup only.  But your assumptions about "where do the nulls go" here are not right. Box(Soup) does not match Box(null); the set of patterns { Box(Soup) } is total on Box(Lunch) _with remainder Box(null)_.  So the null paths in this example are dead.  (Also missing break statements.)  So rewriting, this switch is really equivalent to:

    switch (lunch) {
        case Box(Soup s):
              System.err.println("Box of soup");
              break;

        case Bag(Soup s):
             System.err.println("Bag of soup");
             break;

        /* implicit */
        case Box(null), Bag(null): throw new NPE();
    }

and the switch is total on Container(Lunch) under the Lunch=Soup, Container=Box|Bag assumptions.

I have to admit that this is surprising.

So, if I have a sealed hierarchy that only permits one concrete type:

interface Foo permits Bar

doing:

Foo x = ...
if (x instanceof Bar)

is not considered a total instanceof?

Maurizio




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