Hello Carl, the mailing list is working :-) Thanks for your reply.
On 07/21/2013 12:02 AM, carl8...@spamex.com wrote: > Erich, > > Thank you for your detailed analysis of the situation. I have to admit > that we have different goals or that I don't understand > the problem. I'm willing to believe that it's that I don't understand, but > I get the flavor that you are shooting for a solution > which uses the actual chip in the Arduino Uno and want to be able to > recover its original operation. Correct. > I had hoped for a solution where the original ATmega328P is removed from > the board and replaced with another 328P > already programed for AmForth. Nothing has been done to the original 328P > and the user could install it again anytime he desired. Ah, I see. There are socketed versions of the duemilanove board, I have one of those. But smd chips seem to be much more common, as fas as I can tell. > As far as options, I would be glad to have any system that in general > followed Leo Brodie's "Starting Forth" as much as AmForth > would allow. I used to use Forth quite extensively to modify the operation > of photocopiers to control individual subsystems for special testing. > I would much rather be using Forth in developing my current device than > using "c". > > I appreciate your interest and would be pleased to hear your take on > removing the existing 328P and replacing it with a pre-programmed Forth > chip. Ok, so you have a socketed chip, fine. You have say 5 more chips with amForth preprogrammed. So you can work happily and errors will brick them. If you send them back to the person who programmed them in the first place, fine. However: After two rounds or so, you have almost paid for the programmer that I recommend anyway (40 Eur for a good one). The Arduino project has put a lot of work into making the whole system nearly unbrickable. Yet they cater for reprogramming the bootloader, because it will be needed rather sooner than later. Apart from "get yourself a programmer" there are other options: ? Is there a hacker space or similar near you? If so, try to get in contact and visit them. They can teach you how to reprogramm the arduino, I'm sure. They might have one to lend or a do-it-yourself type for a nice tip. ? Do you have colleages/friends who play with microcontrollers? One will have such a programmer. And he/she may teach you how to use it. ? Are you involved in some other "social group" (sports, some hobby ...)? Did you ask there? I'm probably just reminding you of the obvious: There are people out there playing with AVR microcontrollers, and there might be just one around the corner ... you could even ask on this list "is someone near $location" :-) > I would think bootloader considerations would go away under these > circumstances. As Matthias said, if you have a programmer, everything is under control. Cheers, Erich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ Amforth-devel mailing list for http://amforth.sf.net/ Amforth-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amforth-devel
