The average VOLTAGE of a sine wave is meaningless. You don't use it to calculate average power. We are looking for the RMS value.
The RF signal is always composed of sine waves no matter if there is modulation or no modulation. It also doesn't matter what the wave shape of the modulating signal is either, tones, voice or whatever, the RF coming out of the transmitter is still going to be sine waves. If it were not there would be serious harmonics generated. When we are talking about PEP and the "average power over one or more cycles" we are talking about the RF cycles of the transmitter. Each part of the audio envelope, even the narrowest peaks, are going to be composed of (contain) many RF cycles in each of those peaks. Being that all of those RF cycles are pure sine waves the rules of .707 times the peak voltage to find RMS voltage will always apply. The amplitude of those RF cycles will vary with the modulation envelope level. To measure PEP we pick a point that is the highest part of the modulation envelope (peak) and there will be many many pure RF sine waves contained there. We want to find the average power in those sine waves at that particular time. If you have a fast enough scope you can see exactly what is happening. Look at a transmitter modulated with a tone and you will see the familiar modulation envelope. Spread that way out by increasing the sweep speed and turn up the brightness and you will see all the RF cycles under the modulation envelope. Those are all pure sine waves and will always be. A 3.8 MHz signal with 1000 cycle modulation on it will show a 1000 cycle modulation envelope and contained in that envelope there will be 3800 RF cycles. You can break that down further and say that half of that audio envelope will be positive and half negative. So then the positive half will have 1900 RF cycles. We could break that down further and find how many cycles are near the peak if we wish. But the point is they are all RF cycles and good sine waves on which power is measured. If you are modulating the transmitter with speech the RF power still comes out in perfect sine waves regardless of the modulating waveform. If you were trying to measure audio power at the audio frequencies in this manner then it would not be pure sine waves with speech. 73 Gary K4FMX > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:amradio- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Candela > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:54 AM > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [AMRadio] Re: MODULATION POWER REQUIRED > > > > Don, > > It seems that we have defined PEP power pretty well: > > >"Well, PEP is defined as the AVERAGE power over at least one RF cycle at > > the most powerful point of the envelope." > Now, since we do not speak with sine waves, the average "power point of > the envelope" is going to be less than 0.636 (sine wave average) of the > peak value. With many voices the average might be 0.2 to 0.5 of the peak. > Doesn't this mean we can increase the peak power until the PEP as we have > defined it hits 1500 watts? It seems that many of us confuse peak power > with Peak Envelope Power. The definitions are different. If I have this > correct, then unprocessed voice peaks can be increased until the PEP legal > limit is achieved, and the carrier level might be a lot more than 375 > watts. Maybe the KW1, or Johnson Desk KW at Hi-Tap are still legal? > > Regards, > Jim > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
