On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:37:14 -0400, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> "Enable sound" is something you would change more often than any other
> preference imo. We also have it in the tray-icon context-menu. For
me,
> it is "in the menu" but if you want a poll about this .. go on.
no poll, it's a much more often used option than anything else, it's as
important as 'change status' imho.. although I never use it (always set
to
off)
Hmm is it actually 'much more often used'? It may be, but not by me!
(always
set to 'on' ;-))
hehe, yeah, 'much more often used'.. wel,l that's what my common sens
tells me, but I might be totally wrong, seems that noone here uses it..
(when you think about it, I never enable sounds, and I never change my
status eithe...)
>> - I added a few things that were missing, and would be helpful. Most
of
>> them
>> just popped into my mind while looking at some context menus in aMSN,
>> or the
>> MSN8 menus as sent by Youness.
>>
>> - I removed the actions menu. Some of its items went into the
'Contact'
>> menu.
>
> This distinction ... I made it on purpose ! Menu's shouldn't be too
> long. As also plugins can add stuff in here, and they're likely gonna
> be things that might fit in my "Actions" menu
>
>> - I removed sort groups ascending/descending
>
> Why ? It's a View thing ... ppl might like it .. no ?
ok, for the last two comments, I agree with you, I also noticed this in
Harry's design, it seems he tries to make it as small as possible, to
condense the menus, give it a little diet.. it's not the best way to do
it
imho, I agree with Karel.
I removed it because I absolutely don't see why anyone whould like to
toggle
the sorting of groups between ascending and descending. Why? because it
is
unlikely that the group names themselves will be such that an
alphabetical
ordering will be any good, so people that need to sort them, will put
something (e.g. a number) at the beginning of the names, to make them
appear
in an ordering they like, but why would anyone then reverse that
ordering???
it is still a viewing option... and you can't remove it, it's not in the
prefs window.. we should always be backward compatible... no options
removed.. if it's there, keep it.. and I don't think it bloats the menu,
it's there so people who want it can use it ...
>> ---
>> x Hide empty groups // NEW
>> x Hide offline contacts // NEW
>
> I saw this in the MSN8 menus and I liked it. But, are you gonna code
> it ? Before the coding is done, I'd want to implement it the old way
as
> I did in my design. This however is much better and should be done
> later on. Maybe in a newer CL code ...
I agree.. but disagree (as always :P), you're right, the things in msn
menus are good, but it doesn't fit in amsn.. we have
status/group/hybrid,
and he adds hide empty groups, and hide offline contacts...
first, hide empty groups is an advanced preference and will most
probably
be used once (should be in appareance, not in advanced), also, it's
mostly
usefull in hybrid mode only.. it could be added, but I don't really
think
it's place is there (one-time option makes menu bloated imho)
hide offline contacts... "wtf does it mean ? will it do the same as
collapsing the 'offline' group?" that's the question I kept asking
myself
when I was trying to figure out what's wrong with that option.. I think
we
should keep the same thing as in MSN8 :
GROUP offline users
GROUP mobile users
Hmmm, yeah.... First: hide offline contacts will simply not display those
contacts in the CL in 'groups' view, and will completely hide the
'Offline'
group in 'status' or 'hybrid' view (so also no group header for
'Offline').
In 'groups' and 'hybrid' views 'Hide empty groups' together with 'Hide
offline contacts' will make a group header disappear if no contacts in
that
group are online.
About frequency of use, you may be right that these are set once for
always.
And therefore should not be in the menu. But at least these are more
sensible
view options than the 'sort groups asc/desc'.
not hide.. by grouping, you mean add an additional group... but now, if
you choose to add "group offline users", it means the 'hybrid' mode
disappears, because hybrid mode is simply 'sort contacts by group' with
'group offline users' enabled... right ?
the group mobile users option is self-explanatory...
People may want to have a clean CL with only contacts they can actually
chat
with. For those, the 'hide offline contacts' will do exactly what they
want,
but yeah, 'group offline contacts' with Offline group collapsed gets real
close... and this is indeed similar to the current hybrid mode.
So yeah, seems like you got your point... But still I do remember I
thought of
hybrid mode, and these options would create possibilities that go beyond
the
hybrid mode.... but I cannot recall the big difference now, so maybe I
was
just wrong....
Yeah, I understand what you mean, but that would go in the winskin plugin
IMHO... we're talking about "normal IM behavior", group offline contacts..
hybrid mode.. yes, but make a group disappear.. useless, it's collapsed..
it's there exactly for that purpose...
anyways, we should stop lengthy discussions, Karel will take care of the
rest.. if you don't like something specific and have specific reasons for
it, then you tell him after the commit is done... try talking on msn as
it's alot eaiser, and post here the conclusions.
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