On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Álvaro J. Iradier <airad...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > You can't really say you're still active in the mailing list since the
> > mailing list itself isn't really active, most of us are always on IRC,
> but
> > you're never there.You never talk to us, you never join the IRC channel,
> you
> > have no idea on what's happening with aMSN, So I can't consider you as
> being
> > still 'active' in the development of aMSN.
>
> I'm sorry it's like this now, I fell much more confortable with
> mailing lists. I just don't have time, possibilities nor I'm allowed
> to be at IRC at work, and I don't spend much time at home. Same for
> the forums. They are a great tool, but I just don't have time to read
> them.
>
The mailing list is still useful for discussing some topics, it's just that
we don't have much topics to discuss lately.
About IRC, others use a screen on a server and access it through SSH, so
they're always online. You can probably do the same with your home server or
something like that.
About the forums, I wasted the biggest part of my life on there... but now
I've assigned alexandernst as my new 'forum slave' (official title) and it's
his turn to waste his life on it. Yes, it does take a huge amount of time.
>
> I'd probably be more active if amsn talk would be back at mailing
> lists, but I respect you prefer using IRC. Probably you already
> noticed I'm hardly at messenger too, I'm only reachable at email.
>
Well, there really isn't much to talk about, there are no 'big issues' and
the team is too small to send a mail for 'everyone to get involved' since
everyone is about 3 or 4 people and they're all on IRC 24/7.
If you want to do something with aMSN and you want to discuss it, the
mailing list is still here for that.
>
> > And even if you had top commiter rank, that doesn't change the fact that
> > your current status is inactive. Read below for what I think about 'past
> > achievements'...
>
> Ok, I thought myself I was not an active commiter, neither active on
> IRC or forums, but I considered myself active on following and helping
> the project, like I recently did with the certificate verification
> thing. It looks like project activity is out of reach for me now, as
> mailing lists are hardly considered anymore.
>
Well then, we have a VERY different understanding of the term 'active'.. I
see thousands of people 'following the project', and I don't think they
deserver to be called 'active developers' just because they read that one
email per month in the mailing list. And no, I don't think either that, once
a year, forwarding a mail that you get in your inbox, is considered as
'helping the project'.
Maybe you do help a bit, like your patch 14 months ago (although nobody has
any idea what that pulidor branch is) but I don't consider that as an active
developer, I consider it no more than user X or Y who sends a patch from
time to time.. and honestly, I've seen n00b users help out more than you did
(in your last years of inactivity of course) by reporting
bugs/debugging/suggesting solutions on the forums.
>
> > inactivity, the developer (you in this case) would be the one who would
> be
> > embarassed for asking for membership renewal knowing that he's doing
> nothing
> > to help the project. And when you get kicked out, you don't blame me or
> some
> > other admin for what "they did to you', you can only blame the system or
> > yourself for not responding to the "your membership is about to expire"
> > email.
>
> Ok, so if I'm doing anything to help the project, it's ok to remove me.
>
>
> > developers are required to be in the #amsn channel on IRC, so you'd need
> to
> > join us there.
>
> I can't comply with this requirement, sorry, so it looks I can't help.
>
> Greets.
>
I don't understand what the big fuss is all about and what you're trying to
prove and why start this whole mess!
You did a lot back then, you founded the whole project.. it was even called
"Alvaro's Messenger" at one point in the past, but then you decided to leave
the project, you abandoned it, you left, and you didn't do anything anymore,
I don't see why you're mad that the project 'abandoned' you in return. Your
past accomplishments were awesome and very much appreciated by everyone
here, I'm sure, but that's it, it's in the past, and I see absolutely no
reason to consider you as an active developer in the present!
But seeing as you decided to be a PITA, I've readded you, we've discussed
this among current project admins, and the general consensus is to give you
back your membership because we don't have time to waste to wage a war
against you at this point. But I just want to make it clear that I'm against
this, I think this is completely stupid. You decided to start whining about
your membership status, and you seem to be insisting that we give you back
something that you don't need, and we'll do it, not because we feel you're
right, but simply because we don't want to waste our time arguing.
I sincerely hope that you don't apply this same logic to everything in your
life, because I'd really like to see what your boss at your previous job
would say if you told him to give you back your membership status and SVN
repository access, and an intranet account, simply because you wrote code
for them in the past, even though you quit afterwards.
You are now listed as a team member, but you have no rights. If you need SVN
access, contact me and I'll give it to you if you're showing me that you do
indeed have plans on using it. I'm sorry, but the way I work is that if you
don't need it, you shouldn't have it.
KaKaRoTo
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