So I am not saying use a dialog everywhere. I am saying on a per application basis. The problem with Windows Vista was that it was everywhere. I am saying in addition to a small wall of permissions representing the what permissions are needed for the core functionality of the application, you also allow a upgrade permissions. A user should not be scared to install an application because of optional features of an application that compliment, a core functionality. Apple, a company that basically gives all developers access to frightenly everything, still prompts users on a per application basis for location, notifications, etc.
I would say I would like to shrink that permission list but in order to have functionality enjoyed by some, I am forced to have permissions granted by all. Also doing a quick look at your list on your phone is not.a really good test, you are a developer, ask someone outside the tech industry the something for some good feedback. I am not trying to be difficult I am just basing this on being an iPhone user previously. This platform has more potential I think but the focus on tech more so than user experience is what prevents this platform's growth. On Aug 28, 8:44 am, Brad Gies <rbg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes.. we do... and I normally don't disagree with you :). But, in this > instance.. I REALLY do. > > Let me expand on why I think it is a failing, and maybe you will see > where I am coming from. > > I'll use the Window Firewall as an example as it is the closest example > I can think of. It deals with permissions and security. This may be more > of a manifestation of how I use my computer, but I think many people > share this :). > > Assume I have a new install of Windows. I'm not very security conscious > (I'm truly not.. if you want my email accounts, I have thousands more I > can switch to, so I don't care), but I set my firewall to lock down > everything because I do want some security, and otherwise I'm wide open. > Then I start to install my programs. At this point none of them have > internet access. Then one by one I start running them. Some of them will > immediately popup the "Firewall is Blocking me" dialog. No problem.... > I'm still in the installation phase anyway. When that happens, if it's a > program I REALLY trust, I just grant the the "Allow Always" option. If > it's a program I don't have complete faith in, I only grant the "Allow > Once" option, and I pull out Wire Shark before I respond and monitor > what it's doing. Then when (and if) I trust it, I give it the "Allow > Always" option. > > Doing it that way makes me feel very secure, even though I don't have > big issues with security in the first place. > > I really don't think I am the only person out there that feels this > way.... I think Android would benefit from this. > > Now.. do you get my point of view?... I'm not asking you to agree in > terms of changing how you do things... you may work differently... but I > think it's a valid point of view. > > The way Android does it now. I just accept whatever the program asks for > because until you use it, you don't really know how it wants to use the > permission. By waiting until it wants to use the permission, I can make > a (slightly) more informed choice on whether to grant the permission or > not, especially if I have the option of saying "YES", "YES, but monitor > it", or "NO", and that makes Android not only more secure.... but > communicates that security to the user in a very effective manner. > > Brad. > > On 27/08/2010 10:46 PM, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > > > > Well, we disagree. > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Brad Gies <rbg...@gmail.com > > <mailto:rbg...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > I would argue the opposite :) > > > One of the handiest features of Windows Firewall is that you have > > the option of "Displaying a notification" when it blocks a > > program, and when the dialog shows up, you have the option of > > granting that program access, and then it never bothers you again. > > > I do agree that the way it was done in Vista was absolutely > > horrible... but a one time "Let this program do this" works VERY > > WELL, and I think it gets around all the problems you mentioned. > > > In my opinion, the lack of this is the single most obvious failing > > in Android. > > > Brad. > > Sincerely, > > Brad Gies > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bistro Bot - Bistro > Blurbhttp://bgies.comhttp://bistroblurb.comhttp://ihottonight.comhttp://forcethetruth.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Everything in moderation, including abstinence > > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can > change the world. Indeed. It is the only thing that ever has - Margaret Mead -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
