What a day for my ADSL connection to go down :). To address some of the points raised;
- We, at Funky Android, have issued a response to the Archos press release at http://press.andappstore.com/20091106-AndAppStore-Archos.pdf in which we challenge Archos to allow us to release the documentary evidence of our claims which is currently protected under an NDA. Some of this evidence has already been supplied to their legal advisors and we haven't heard from them since. The Archos press release was made after this information was given to Archoses legal advisers, and, strangely, things have changed from Archoses legal advisers threatening us with any measures available in English and French courts to the press release Archos hav where only action in a French court is mentioned. - We have not committed to starting legal action as yet because we are currently evaluating the financial position of Archos because their financial reports indicate they have a net debt. of over 10 million euros and are seeking to extend their credit lines, and we have no interest in starting a legal action against a company which may, in our opinion, go under part way through and we get left with a large legal bill. - I have talked to SlideME and GetJar and neither of them provided Archos with permission to deep link to files on their servers, and the same is true of AndAppStore. - The current AppsLib client contains a variable called hosted_by_archos in the class com.archos.appslib.datapi.GetReleases which indicates whether or not an apk is hosted on archoses servers or is being pulled from another server and acts accordingly, so although the AppsLib client may just use data from Archos, it is coded to go out and pull downloads from other sites. - If you don't know Charbax, well, he owns archosfans.com on which he's made comments like; it Archoses decision not to include Google Apps, Google Apps will be in the next firmware update Archos release, its' was Googles inability to get it's apps working in WVGA that caused them not be included, and saying that "Until there are reliable ways to access some kind of library over all .apk files legally, I don't think it's wrong that we link to whatever we can find for now as testing. To see if some of the apps work at all and to reach out to the developers to adapt their applications for 800x480.". When I've challenged him to provide the source for his information the usual response was a range of personal insults directed at me, and for that reason I stopped posting at his site. After he posted a whole article on the Archos press release I posted a link to our response in the forum, and he subsequently banned my account. Now if this needs to continue, lets move it to -discuss which would be a more appropriate list for this type of thread. Al. -- * Looking for Android Apps? - Try http://andappstore.com/ * ====== Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. On Nov 6, 11:54 pm, "Eric Wong (hdmp4.com)" <ericwon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds likeArchosis a terrible company, more reason for me to go > against them :) > They should at least pay for the service you have already performed, > assuming they didn't steal your codes. > > Good luck with your lawsuit, make sure you have plenty of money to pay > the lawyers before you get started ;) > > Cheers > Eric > > On Oct 23, 6:03 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote: > > > > > Here is our account of what happened between us at AndAppStore and > >Archos; > > > We worked withArchosfor several weeks helping them design and > > develop AppsLib, this included me personally travelling to Archoses > > head office in Paris for meetings with Henri Crohas (Founder and CEO > > ofArchos), and other members of their senior management, as well as > > various email and information exchanges. The relationship was such > > that at one point I personally was in possession of a pre-release > > AndroidArchos5 for a few weeks before it was officially launched. > > > Very early on in the development a mutual NDA was signed after which > > AndAppStore, at Archoses request, supplied proprietary information > > about AndAppStores' client/server data exchange mechanisms, system > > architecture, and provided a version of the AndAppStore client with a > > customised user interface designed to work on the WVGA display of the > >Archos5. All of the information supplied to them was given in order > > to allow them to develop their server to ensure it was compatible with > > the customised AndAppStore client which we were told would be used as > > the AppsLib client. > > > During our work with them we agreed the terms of an ongoing > > relationship which would cover the cost of the consulting and > > development work, and although the original deal was modified a few > > times (by mutual agreement), a contract was drawn up byArchoswhich > > we signed and returned it to them for countersigning.Archosthen > > refused to countersign their own contract, and thus the relationship > > ended. > > > When AppsLib was released it came to light thatArchoshad asked a > > third party, Diotasoft, to develop an almost functionally identical > > client for them and that AppsLib used the same system architecture and > > data exchange methods as AndAppStore, the details of which had been > > supplied toArchosunder the mutual NDA at a time when we were being > > told we would be compensated via the terms of the ongoing relationship > > which had since ended. > > > The extent of the use was that the Diotasoft/ArchosAppsLib used > > exactly file formats, data set names, relationships between data sets, > > and methods of accessing the data as used in AndAppStore, and the > > AndAppStore client could read, parse, and populate its' internal > > database with data from AppsLib without modification. > > > The current situation is this; As of today we have received no payment > > of any kind for the work we did, and the only invoice we have > > submitted is now overdue and has not been paid, and so we are seeking > > legal advice as to what options are open to us in relation to the > > information must have redistributed to Diotasoft in order to allow > > them to develop a client to our specifications and their development > > of an almost identical client. With all this in mind we are also > > examining the financial stability ofArchosto determine whether or > > notArchoswould be able to pay any award made to us by the time any > > legal action would be completed. > > > Hopefully you're all now able to make your decisions a little easier > > as opposed to having to guess whats' going on. > > > Al. > > -- > > > * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > > > ====== > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > > company number 6741909. > > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > > subsidiaries. > > > On Oct 22, 5:57 pm, Streets Of Boston <flyingdutc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There could be plenty of reason's 'why'. Costs less, faster to market, > > > etc. > > > I hope, too, that all this is just a mis-understanding. But > > > AndAppStore states that it has some good proof that parts of their > > > software have been 'used' byArchosfor theArchosMarket. > > > > On Oct 22, 4:52 am, arnouf <arnaud.far...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm not anArchosemployee ! > > > > I think that this story is a little bit strange, because I don't think > > > > thatArchosdid something like that if they want have a good place on > > > > the android place... > > > > > Now, I can't confirm ifArchosor AndAppStore are right but I don't > > > > think whyArchosshould stole codes... > > > > > On 21 oct, 16:11, Streets Of Boston <flyingdutc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Same here. > > > > > If they indeed did that, then i won't put my app there. > > > > > > On Oct 20, 1:25 pm, niko20 <nikolatesl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > Maybe I will wait until I find out if you really stole the code for > > > > > > your app store from the andAppStore developers. At least that is the > > > > > > current allegation. > > > > > > > -niko > > > > > > > On Oct 20, 3:55 am, arnouf <arnaud.far...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you have developed or if you are developing applications, and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > are on the Android Market - Great! - But these apps are only > > > > > > > available for devices that have contracts with Google. > > > > > > > >Archos, a major PMP manufacturer, launched its first device on > > > > > > >25th of > > > > > > > September: theArchos5 IT.Archoshas a real community of fans who > > > > > > > are waiting for applications for their devices. This device is the > > > > > > > first of a long product line (the firstArchosphone should be > > > > > > > available soon too!). > > > > > > > > It's a new opportunity for your applications to find new fans! > > > > > > > > You can post your apps, for free, on theArchosMarket called > > > > > > > Appslib > > > > > > > (http://www.appslib.com). > > > > > > > > Today, only free applications are available for distribution on > > > > > > > AppsLib, butArchospromises the possibility to distribute your paid > > > > > > > apps soon ! > > > > > > > > Don't wait : more applications, more users, more fans...and more > > > > > > > revenue (soon)! > > > > > > > > Arnaud- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
