I hope you're right Brill, but the 7 months with 'zero' movement on
this issue in 'any' country, doesn't sit well with it.
The trouble for ALL Android app developers who want to sell
applications for years to come, is that developers from the countries
'not' in those 9 (Germany, Austria, Japan, Italy, Spain, France, the
Netherlands, UK and US), tend to release their applications for free
(thereby undermining the commercial proposition for those developers
in the 9 countries). This makes the proposition for 'ads within apps'
the better long-term proposition on Android in 'ALL' countries. This
of course suits Google's time-honored Business Model, which is more
than ample reason for them sitting on their hands, tight-lipped about
this whole impasse.
Cheers,
Steve
On Apr 8, 12:54 am, Brill Pappin <br...@pappin.ca> wrote:
> I suspect the issues is actually not that they don't want to allow it,
> I think that the issue is that they are trying to keep everything
> inside their own umbrella.
>
> What I mean is, Google has a payment processor business and they have
> the app business; they are trying to keep everything under one roof.
>
> The problem is not actually that the Market won't do it, its that
> Google Checkout can't and having worked with payment processors a lot,
> I can tell you that some countries are much easier to get access to
> payment systems than others.
>
> In Canada, its difficult (not sure about Australia) to get access to
> the payment networks because here we have fairly strict regulations on
> Banks etc and they don't like people on their turf.
>
> Apple on the other hand doesn't have anything invested as a payment
> processor, and so doesn't have the same limitation because they can
> use any of the many existing ones that handle Canadian transactions
> already.
>
> So, my guess is that Google Checkout is having trouble dealing with
> the Canadian financial system and getting in the door, however that
> failure is hurting their other departments, such as the Android Market
>
> What they should be doing IMO is simply hooking into another existing
> processor for countries like Canada until they can sort out their
> processor troubles. From our perspective we would not even notice the
> change accept possibly by having to enter new credit card data (not
> even google is allowed to store it).
>
> This is a guess of course, but based on a little knowledge of the
> processor industry.
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
> On Apr 7, 9:45 am, gosh <steve.goschn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wouldn't hold your breathe there Brill.
>
> > If you do a search in this group on thread titled 'Countries for
> > selling priced applications in Android Market' you'll see that many
> > others 'were' asking this question back in August 2009 (and elsewhere
> > in this group). Google allowed nine countries to sell apps from Sep
> > 2009 and nothing has changed in the 7 months since then.
> > My interest then 'was' in selling Android apps from Australia.
>
> > I approached an Australian Senator ('for the Digital Economy') to try
> > and see what was happening at Google on this issue (since they don't
> > answer such questions from mere mortals, or even from their own
> > collaborating developers) - but the answer the Senator got back with
> > was simple and the same: 'we are working on more countries'. Tim
> > O'Reilly got me an avenue to someone a bit further up the Google food
> > chain ... same simple non-committal answer came back to us: 'we are
> > working on more countries'.
>
> > If you are looking for a professional response to this sort of a
> > question, from a global company that knows something about application
> > developer relations in an international context, I recommend that you
> > look at what Sun/Oracle tell their International enquirers wrt the
> > same issue at the 'Java Shop', on the web-page here 'Java Warehouse
> > Developer Center - Supported Locations':
>
> >http://java.sun.com/warehouse/overview/locations.jsp
>
> > ...the issues they cite there regarding seller countries are likely to
> > be the very same issues that Goggle would be facing with CheckOut and
> > Apps, iff they actually do intend to include more countries.
>
> > The fact the Google can't get a page of information like that to their
> > own enquiring Android developers, suggests to me that either: 1). They
> > are not an Internationally competent company when it comes to
> > collaborating with grass-roots developers; or, 2). They have no
> > intention of allowing developers from further countries to sell
> > Android apps (now that they have a critical mass of apps to compete
> > with iPhone).
>
> > Since you (and I) are not from the favored 9 countries, and since 7
> > months have passed, if you want to make some money from your Android
> > apps, you should release it for 'free' and simply embed advertising in
> > it ... as many other developers in this predicament are already doing.
> > Its also a 'great value' move for Android phone users.
>
> > (Btw if you look at Tim OReilly's recent blog on 'The State of the
> > Internet Operating System'
> > -http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/03/state-of-internet-operating-system.html
> > - a long but very good and insightful read, you will see that while he
> > cites iPhone, iPad and the App Store, he doesn't cite Android Market
> > in a 'selling apps' future (i.e. under the heading 'Access Control'),
> > but he does mention Google re Admob under the 'Advertising' aspect of
> > the Internet Operating System).
>
> > Cheers
> > Steve
>
> > On Apr 6, 12:06 am, Brill Pappin <br...@pappin.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone have any idea when Google plans to allow us Canadian
> > > developers to actually create accounts for selling apps in the Market?
>
> > > I am completely flabbergasted that I can't set that up. Major FAIL.
>
> > > - Brill Pappin
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