Am Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:20:26 +0300
schrieb Stoyan Damov <[email protected]>:

You don't need eclipse.

adb can show log itself, and even nicer, Log Collector in the Market
seems to be a "carry-at-all-times" solution to that problem.

But yes, there have been a number of curious bugs, e.g. jjReader had
some issues where Market claimed to be unable to upgrade due a
nonspecified signature problem, but after uninstall & install it worked
perfectly.

Andreas

> 
> No, most are NOT. People, for @#$%'s sake, you've GOT to trust me on
> that. I've downloaded an e-book the other day. I read it (it's a short
> story), and the next day I got an update. I installed it curious to
> see what was updated (was the reader itself). I ran it. It crashed
> IMMEDIATELY after launch before showing any UI. I then uninstalled it,
> and re-installed it, and it started and worked flawlessly.
> 
> I'm betting my ass that when Android updates an application it @#$%s
> up something, e.g. permissions (damn me for NOT launching Eclipse when
> this happened to see what exactly was the crash) and the app would
> F/C. After a reinstall, everything works just fine.
> 
> What I described is what can be seen on MANY (and list is growing)
> number of applications' descriptions on Android Market (that is
> "please, uninstall before update").
> 
> I *do* believe people make bugs (and so do I), and that there are some
> very poorly developed apps on Market, but this *particular* crash
> immediately after an update is a Google bug. I know it. I KNOW it. I
> @#$%ING KNOW IT!
> 
> I'm just waiting for it to happen again with another app, and me
> having Eclipse around.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Mattaku Betsujin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I think a lot of the comments are junk. However, I think the Force
> > Close ones are real. On Android, the foreground app shouldn't be
> > FC'ed if there are lots of background activities.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ivan Soto <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We really need something like 'Report abuse" or "Inaccurate"
> >> I try a lot of applications that run perfectly but I bet some
> >> people with a lot of background applications running will
> >> obviously have problems with the Force Close thing, they usually
> >> just go to the market and give 1star for that.
> >> I would love to report that as inaccurate, because that is just
> >> not spam. Ivan Soto Fernandez
> >> Web Developer
> >> http://ivansotof.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Eric Mill <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've written on this list a couple times about the deplorable
> >>> state of Android Market comment threads.  It has gotten better
> >>> than it used to be, though, I think the "Report as Spam" option
> >>> has made an impact.
> >>>
> >>> You're not going to get people to change the way they express
> >>> themselves about how they feel about your app, though.  YouTube
> >>> has played with their comment system numerous times, but the
> >>> comment threads are still a gutter.  It's just the audience and
> >>> the culture. Blocking out basic curse words just goads people to
> >>> get around the filter.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said though, I think it's improved, I'm not seeing the same
> >>> level of vindictiveness and bile that was there in the winter.
> >>>  It's just going to take some more time, and it's going to have
> >>> to come from the community.
> >>>
> >>> -- Eric
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Ivan Soto <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > And yet no word from Google. Although, I can say that I've seen
> >>> > some kind of
> >>> > moderation. (I guess)
> >>> > I haven't seen a lot of comments like
> >>> > "your app rocks. 5 starss... contact me [email protected]"
> >>> > Which was a big issue before. Still, it needs a lot of
> >>> > improvement.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Ivan Soto Fernandez
> >>> > Web Developer
> >>> > http://ivansotof.com
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sean Hodges
> >>> > <[email protected]>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> From my experience, auto filters have limited effectiveness,
> >>> >> though definitely better than nothing at all.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ideally, there would be a "Report Abuse" button that acts
> >>> >> similar to the spam feature, and in both cases if a Google
> >>> >> account is reported a number of times it is reviewed by market
> >>> >> support for inappropriate activity (I'm not sure if this is
> >>> >> already the case for the spam feature).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If a malicious user starts picking on another by reporting all
> >>> >> their comments, the data from this can be used to review the
> >>> >> reporter's account instead... People abusing the system should
> >>> >> get a warning followed by a ban on the market, or some similar
> >>> >> course of action.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Of course, if this is too much to implement, an auto-filter
> >>> >> should definitely be considered as an alternative. There are
> >>> >> lots of reports requesting this in the market forum.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM,
> >>> >> [email protected]
> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Completely agree. I'm amazed there isn't an auto-filter
> >>> >> > going on - it
> >>> >> > would be easy to catch obvious swear words like the ones you
> >>> >> > quote above.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > When I've seen abusive comments, the poster usually tries to
> >>> >> > disguise
> >>> >> > the swear words by changing a letter or by using asterisks
> >>> >> > instead, because of fear of being moderated I guess.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > But it looks like the moderating is not happening at all.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Apr 8, 2:48 pm, mask <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> >> >> This is an excerpt from an application comment:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "This stupid fucking shit isn't downloading/installing!
> >>> >> >> What a waste
> >>> >> >> sherelle 2009-04-08 04:00:44"
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As a developer, I would like to know when is Google going
> >>> >> >> to start moderating such illiterate and ignorant people
> >>> >> >> from commenting on an
> >>> >> >> issue developer has no control. At least, the curse words
> >>> >> >> should be removed or 'moderated' for keeping the developer
> >>> >> >> community sane. Keep
> >>> >> >> in mind, in the long run its the developers and their
> >>> >> >> application that
> >>> >> >> will eventually sell and market android platform.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As a developer, all ignorant and abusive comments are least
> >>> >> >> productive. Also Google's inaction in removing abusive
> >>> >> >> comments are totally unacceptable.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As a developer, I request Google to take immediate action by
> >>> >> >> removing
> >>> >> >> comments which are abusive or totally remove commenting but
> >>> >> >> keep the
> >>> >> >> star rating until Google provides a complete solution.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

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