No on both counts. Just because someone can get a message to you doesn't mean that they know where to find you, simply that they know where you might look for the message.
As for doing something illegal... ABSOLUTELY it IS illegal, regardless of someone calling you out on it! Developers are NOT ABOVE THE LAW and regardless of the popular idea that something isn't illegal unless you get caught, doing something against the law (I think this falls under DMCA) is against the law REGARDLESS of whether or not you get caught. On Oct 1, 4:16 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > IF you got a C&D letter they know where to find out. As a developer > you are not doing something illegal until someone tells you you are. > > On Oct 1, 3:03 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You would? > > > I wouldn't. Not for fear, but for WHY? > > Others wouldn't for fear... i.e. just disappear and maybe they won't > > find you. > > > On Oct 1, 10:48 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Any developer would have said something. > > > If I got a letter I would have come to the Android community and said > > > the same thing. > > > As far as Google waiting to see if the developer got big. They knew > > > being "open sourced" that people would have renditions of Android. > > > They could have nipped this in the butt early. > > > Its something they should have said from the get go. > > > Secondly, developers get the code before everyone does. Look at donut > > > and how it was out to developers and tester before it came out. > > > Cyanogen might have gone online this year, but Android code was out > > > way before that. > > > As far as playing the waiting game? > > > Come on. > > > Google has always come off as a str8 forward company. > > > There something going on here. > > > > On Sep 30, 1:43 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This isn't about how long android has been around. It is about how > > > > long CYANOGEN has been around. MUCH LESS than a year. > > > > > And again I ask... HOW DO YOU KNOW that no other rom developer > > > > received a C&D? The answer is that YOU DON'T! In fact, go back and > > > > read the FOURTH POST in THIS THREAD... hmm... is that Disconnect > > > > claiming to have been C&D'd by google "way back"? Why yes, IT IS. > > > > > On Sep 30, 12:31 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't take a year to send a C&D letter. As soon as the first ROM > > > > > was made by any developer Google had enough evidence to send a C&D > > > > > letter. > > > > > Google is not a small company. They have the money and lawyers to have > > > > > dealt with this as soon as someone used one of their owned apps. > > > > > I think they just waited to see how big this thing got. > > > > > As far as how do I know it's been a yr? > > > > > Well when did developers start making roms? > > > > > When did the G1 come out? > > > > > About a yr ago. > > > > > > On Sep 30, 9:33 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Just because you don't read it doesn't mean it isn't binding. > > > > > > And yes, I always read it. And understand it. > > > > > > Why a year? > > > > > > How do you know it was a year? > > > > > > Maybe they C&D's Jesusfreke as well. Ever wonder WHY he quit? > > > > > > Maybe others haven't been around long enough to bother with. It > > > > > > TAKES > > > > > > TIME for the legal machinery to crank. > > > > > > Maybe it was all OK until the new and at-the-time-unreleased market > > > > > > app (it has now been released since 1.6 is now officially out on > > > > > > real > > > > > > devices - ADP1) got into it. > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 10:20 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why did the take a yr to do this? > > > > > > > Why not come off the bat and mention it? > > > > > > > A lot of fine print is meant to drag and confuse people. > > > > > > > DId you read the whole fine print in your credit card, cable tv, > > > > > > > android phone, pc/mac OS? > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:35 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That is only the case if you *DON'T READ*. > > > > > > > > > Android is android -- see OHA, AOSP. > > > > > > > > "With Google" means "With Google" -- see Google. > > > > > > > > > When you sync with AOSP repo, the closed source "with google" > > > > > > > > stuff is > > > > > > > > NOT THERE. > > > > > > > > > The licenses are ALL included IN YOUR PHONE. > > > > > > > > Settings/About/Licenses. > > > > > > > > Read them. Didn't know they were there? Your own fault for not > > > > > > > > looking! > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 6:40 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's not really that. Is that they provide android and the > > > > > > > > > "with > > > > > > > > > Google" experience yet they do not differentiate between > > > > > > > > > both. Then a > > > > > > > > > year later they provide the most recognized developer with a > > > > > > > > > C&D > > > > > > > > > letter. > > > > > > > > > And who is to say this will stop? > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 5:12 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This is nothing more than a minor change in procedure. The > > > > > > > > > > end results > > > > > > > > > > are no difference EXCEPT that the lawyers will be happy. > > > > > > > > > > > Read. > > > > > > > > > > Think. > > > > > > > > > > > The only reason people are "pissed off" is that they are > > > > > > > > > > too dumb to > > > > > > > > > > read and understand what is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 3:17 am, W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well said. This is firing a bullet right into your own > > > > > > > > > > > toes. No one > > > > > > > > > > > is disputing Google's legal right to do this. It's about > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentally stupid it is to piss off your most ardent > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > technically savvy supporters. Unless Google reverses > > > > > > > > > > > course here, the > > > > > > > > > > > next few plays are pretty straightforward-- (1) cyanogen > > > > > > > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > developers move to another platform (sucking air, > > > > > > > > > > > advocacy, and > > > > > > > > > > > momentum from Android's adoption) or (2) a serious effort > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > underway to replace the proprietary .apks/apis with true > > > > > > > > > > > open-source > > > > > > > > > > > replacements-- a map app that uses openstreetmap (with > > > > > > > > > > > turn-by-turn), > > > > > > > > > > > a better IMAP client for gmail, an alternative market app > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > andappstore, etc. Eventually the IP-unencumbered > > > > > > > > > > > alternatives will be > > > > > > > > > > > as good or better than Google's offerings, and what will > > > > > > > > > > > Google have > > > > > > > > > > > gained? This is how it's worked with open-source since > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning > > > > > > > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strategically unwise for Google to publicly > > > > > > > > > > > advocate FOSS > > > > > > > > > > > development, build an entire platform on FOSS codebase, > > > > > > > > > > > promote FOSS > > > > > > > > > > > philosophy to win market share and mindshare, then take a > > > > > > > > > > > massive dump > > > > > > > > > > > all over their burgeoning development community and fan > > > > > > > > > > > base. (and if > > > > > > > > > > > you don't think that's what's happened, read the comments > > > > > > > > > > > on xda- > > > > > > > > > > > developers, android blogs, or most of the Google apps in > > > > > > > > > > > the Market) > > > > > > > > > > > > W > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 8:08 pm, Josh Steiner <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the stupidest moves I've seen a company > > > > > > > > > > > > do in a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > First, wait til an organic community developer group > > > > > > > > > > > > forms around your > > > > > > > > > > > > product, wait til they release improved version of your > > > > > > > > > > > > free OS, let them > > > > > > > > > > > > hype it to death for you... then C&D them out of > > > > > > > > > > > > existence until they all go > > > > > > > > > > > > tinker with Maemo or Linmo (or iPhone or Web OS) > > > > > > > > > > > > devices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter if Google, Inc are legally correct, > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a boneheaded > > > > > > > > > > > > business decision. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:03 PM, schwiz > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So everytime I have seen someone ask about apps2sd > > > > > > > > > > > > > for android, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > response has been something along the lines of 'well > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you don't like > > > > > > > > > > > > > the space on the phone modify it yourself if its that > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy' Someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes this to heart and does it for free for > > > > > > > > > > > > > thousands of users who > > > > > > > > > > > > > are already supporting google and you shut them down? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > pick between having space for apps on our phone -OR- > > > > > > > > > > > > > not having the > > > > > > > > > > > > > marketplace on our phone anymore so it doesn't even > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter? I highly > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest if you are going to C&D cyanogen to give > > > > > > > > > > > > > users who have PAID > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a 'powered by google' android device to backup > > > > > > > > > > > > > their google apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they paid for. We have paid for the software we > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitled to use it with any build of android we > > > > > > > > > > > > > choose. Otherwise, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might want to try taking user requests a little > > > > > > > > > > > > > more seriously. > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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