Hi Steffen

> On 23 Nov 2018, at 17:53, Fries, Steffen <steffen.fr...@siemens.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> We are currently in the process of discussing different scenarios and 
> approaches for the onboarding of (IoT) devices in plants, substations, or 
> cloud-based services. The current BRSKI document provides here a good 
> approach to address the case in which a pledge has an online connection to a 
> domain registrar to request a voucher for enrolling in a target domain 
> including the enrollment at the PKI. For the enrollment there exists the 
> binding between the certification request (as PKCS#10 object) and the 
> communication connection. I would see this as synchronous approach, as the 
> interaction between the pledge and the domain registrar and also the PKI (CA) 
> is based on a “live” communication connection.

I think the way to put this is that the Registrar is assumed to be 
integral/co-resident with the CA.

> 
> Besides this, we see further use cases, in which the connection to the PKI is 
> not always available. This may be the case if the connection to the CA is 
> only temporary available or not directly available. Here, the approach would 
> require a rather asynchronous handling. In such a setup the domain registrar 
> could for instance store the object (certification request) and forward it 
> upon connectivity to the PKI for further processing. The forward may be based 
> on a communication connection or even manually. This asynchronous approach 
> requires that the object itself is self-protecting ensuring its integrity 
> (like a PKCS#7 wrapping of the PKCS#10 request or similar). Based on the 
> specified BRSKI features, we did not see the support for this type of 
> requirements directly.


To be clear, are we concerned about the EST request or the BRSKI request?  The 
CA need not be available for BRSKI, but it does need to be available for EST.

Eliot

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