Hi,

This is an interesting draft and I think the topic is important. Can you please 
compare with draft-carpenter-anima-l2acp-scenarios-02? Unfortunately we did not 
get much response to that draft 2 years ago.

I don't really understand this statement:

  The DULL instance of GRASP is used to discover neighbours. 

DULL allows GRASP discovery, but this discovers ASAs handling a particular 
GRASP Objective. It is not designed to discover GRASP-capable nodes as such; 
GRASP doesn't need that. I've been running GRASP over L2 for 4 or 5 years, with 
no such neighbour discovery.

Also you write:

  Therefore similar functions of topology
  collection and loop-free topology creation is required for L2 ACP.

I don' think that is needed. On a single link, there is no need to know 
topology. When there are multiple links, the GRASP relaying procedures for 
M_FLOOD and M_DISCOVER (which are link-local multicast packets) prevent loops. 
Normal IPv6 routing takes care of unicast packets.

The essential problem with using L2 as an ACP is security. Apart from security, 
GRASP works perfectly over L2, as long as it supports native link-local 
multicast.

So, did you look at the L2-independent security proposed in 
draft-carpenter-anima-quads-grasp? It describes quite strong security for GRASP 
over any layer 2, but it needs a shared secret. BRSKI and the standard ACP 
avoid that defect. As far as I can see, that is the entire problem of any L2 
ACP solution. If you can avoid a shared secret without BRSKI, that would be 
great, but I'm not sure it's possible. In fact QUADS is more general than L2; 
it also secures GRASP on a routed network.

(The code for QUADS security is built into my GRASP code. It is documented at 
page 22 in https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy/raw/master/graspy.pdf)

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 19-Oct-21 20:58, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.
> 
> 
>         Title           : Requirement and a Reference Model of L2 ACP based 
> ANI
>         Authors         : Yizhou Li
>                           Yujing Zhou
>                           Li Shen
>       Filename        : draft-yizhou-anima-l2-acp-based-ani-00.txt
>       Pages           : 7
>       Date            : 2021-10-19
> 
> Abstract:
>    This document discusses the scenarios, requirements and a reference
>    model of ANI (Autonomic Networking Infrastructure) to be constructed
>    in a layer 2 network using L2 Autonomic Control Plane (ACP) and the
>    related functions.  It expands the applicability of ANI to L2 network
>    and maintains the same infrastructure.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yizhou-anima-l2-acp-based-ani/
> 
> There is also an htmlized version available at:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-yizhou-anima-l2-acp-based-ani-00
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